Thread: Raws Arrived Melted

Originally Posted by Woods

It will affects the hormones some and make the gear come out darker

Yea Woods, that was my feeling about the hormone being degraded. But the source and a few of the experienced brewers on here say it will be just fine. But I imagine a few would say otherwise.

It's fine brother. Like someone else said, Test E and Deca will both melt in temp even in the 80's. It wont change the chemical or make it any less potent. You have to take into consideration that when you start working with them you will essentially be melting them anyways. And with the Test E you would be smart to bring the temperature of the oil up to 200 degrees anyways to get the Carbolic Acid out or you risk some painful injections. Almost all of the Deca and Test E that I have ever gotten outside of ordering in the winter months always ends up looking like giant balls of wax. And Ive gotten my bloods drawn many times when using these products and nothing has ever made a difference as far as potency goes. Don't sweat it. In fact I would be more concerned if what you ended up with this time of year didn't come melted as far as those two compounds go. And it doesn't make it any less easy to make a small batch. Just scrape chunks off with a razor and use a scale.

Originally Posted by Gearhead

Yea Woods, that was my feeling about the hormone being degraded. But the source and a few of the experienced brewers on here say it will be just fine. But I imagine a few would say otherwise.

No way the hormone was degraded just by natural heat while shipping. Heating the hormone to it’s melting point won’t change the structure or potency of it as you’re going to be dissolving it anyway and most use heat to do so.


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Originally Posted by Droid1988

No way the hormone was degraded just by natural heat while shipping. Heating the hormone to it’s melting point won’t change the structure or potency of it as you’re going to be dissolving it anyway and most use heat to do so.


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Droid, you said "most" use heat to dissolve the raw. Does that mean there are raws with such low melting points that some do it just by magnetic stirring or even just manually stirring it?

Originally Posted by Gearhead

Droid, you said "most" use heat to dissolve the raw. Does that mean there are raws with such low melting points that some do it just by magnetic stirring or even just manually stirring it?

You can cold brew some raws. Some people I have heard let the powder sit in the BA/BB overnight with no heat and they dissolve on their own. Heat just facilitates the process and speeds it up. For me I don’t want to take the time to let them sit so I heat mine.


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Originally Posted by Droid1988

You can cold brew some raws. Some people I have heard let the powder sit in the BA/BB overnight with no heat and they dissolve on their own. Heat just facilitates the process and speeds it up. For me I don’t want to take the time to let them sit so I heat mine.


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I notice that Cyp has a high melting point and it's even been recommended to me to not try and go above 200mg because of complications. I could live with that but would much rather go with 250mg. What's your experience/advice about Cyp if you don't mind me asking?

Originally Posted by Gearhead

I notice that Cyp has a high melting point and it's even been recommended to me to not try and go above 200mg because of complications. I could live with that but would much rather go with 250mg. What's your experience/advice about Cyp if you don't mind me asking?

I haven’t messed with test cyp. I get the same results from test e and it’s a breeze to make so I don’t see the need. I made some bold cyp 200mg/ml and had to take that up to about 170F to get it to dissolve fully


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Originally Posted by Droid1988

I haven’t messed with test cyp. I get the same results from test e and it’s a breeze to make so I don’t see the need. I made some bold cyp 200mg/ml and had to take that up to about 170F to get it to dissolve fully


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If a raw dissolves but doesn't stay suspended when it cools, is it a matter of not heating high enough, long enough, a matter of improper portions of BA/BB or something that entirely depends on what you are trying to make? Sorry for all the questions but you obviously have a lot of experience with brewing and I try to get as much info as I can. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Gearhead

If a raw dissolves but doesn't stay suspended when it cools, is it a matter of not heating high enough, long enough, a matter of improper portions of BA/BB or something that entirely depends on what you are trying to make? Sorry for all the questions but you obviously have a lot of experience with brewing and I try to get as much info as I can. Thanks!

It really depends on the hormone you’re working with. Typically your BB concentration isn’t enough, but sometimes you’ll run into a compound that requires a stronger solvent like EO (ethyl oleate) or GU (guaiacol). For instance test base requires EO on top of your typical BA/BB.


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Cyp 250 is easy, I've never had a problem. As far as melting first time I got EQ I flipped cuz it looked like honey, lol. Lost a lil cuz I couldn't squeeze it all out. I brewed large scale for about 6 years. Heated plate with a magnetic stirrer will save u alotta head aches, and an electronic filtration pump. Just my 2 ccs