Better To Heat Before OR After Adding Carrier?

**Gearhead** · 11-10-2018, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by -Chase-

Mix the compound with the carrier and heat
Let it cool then add the ba and bb to whatever ratios you choose

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Thanks. I read your earlier post. Your's was the first I've seen where the BA and BB wasn't added 'til the end. I'm just trying to get a few different responses with any reason for their preference they may have.

**trenbolognaa** · 11-10-2018, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Gearhead

Thanks. I read your earlier post. Your's was the first I've seen where the BA and BB wasn't added 'til the end. I'm just trying to get a few different responses with any reason for their preference they mat have.

I add BA after, BB either way since it's boiling point is like 600F. BA is for keeping bacteria from growing in the solution/vial so may as well throw it in before filtering and after heating too.

**Gearhead** · 11-11-2018, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by trenbolognaa

I add BA after, BB either way since it's boiling point is like 600F. BA is for keeping bacteria from growing in the solution/vial so may as well throw it in before filtering and after heating too.

I have the melting points of pretty much anything I'd ever brew. It's just the little things I need to learn. In an earlier post, it was mentioned that Test E should be left at around 200F for a half hour to burn off carbonic acid. I think that's what it was called. Other than that, Test E is suppose to be one of the easiest compounds to work with. I've had a couple people say not to go over 200mg with Cyp and I don't know why that is. Anytime I've used it, it's been 250mg which I'd prefer. I know that even though Cyp and Ena are very similar, the melting point for Cyp is much higher. I know I have to learn through trial and error. But if I can limit the number of failures, all the better.

**cyberninja** · 11-11-2018, 05:14 AM

Someone should make a video for the rookies please

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**Gearhead** · 11-11-2018, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by cyberninja

Someone should make a video for the rookies please

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YouTube has a couple. One has a guy with a bandana to hide his face as he makes a huge batch of Cyp using a microwave. Then there's another video that shows a decent size batch done in a lab. So they used a heated magnetic stirrer and a disposable millipore stericup with a vacuum compressor. But I haven't seen anything for brewing by hot water bath and syringe filters. So they give a little help but still not a complete guide for those starting off in the kitchen.

**THX** · 11-11-2018, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Gearhead

YouTube has a couple. One has a guy with a bandana to hide his face as he makes a huge batch of Cyp using a microwave. Then there's another video that shows a decent size batch done in a lab. So they used a heated magnetic stirrer and a disposable millipore stericup with a vacuum compressor. But I haven't seen anything for brewing by hot water bath and syringe filters. So they give a little help but still not a complete guide for those starting off in the kitchen.

Seen that video... DO NOT do what that guy does. Don't heat your gear up in a microwave.

There is a lot of talk about carbolic acid/carboxylic acid. You don't have to go to the library to read about what it is and does. You can just google it.
Google your shit instead of believing what people are saying on a forum.

PIP usually comes from solvents, high concentration, bacteria etc. If you use a big vial (20ml+) you'll get pip because bacteria will get in the vial.
I've always gotten pip after a while from injecting gear from 40ml+ vials.
I also get pip when it's cold. During fall, winter etc.

If you want to see if it's truly the raws that gives you pip. Get some GSO (not mygliol/MCT) filter only a couple of ml of gear (no BB no BA) just the hormone and the oil and inject. Then you'll know if it's the raws that gives you pip or not. Usually it's not the raws.
There are several threads about this topic on other forums (some that are over 10 years old)

I'd just get some test cyp, much easier to work with.

**Gearhead** · 11-11-2018, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by THX

Seen that video... DO NOT do what that guy does. Don't heat your gear up in a microwave.

There is a lot of talk about carbolic acid/carboxylic acid. You don't have to go to the library to read about what it is and does. You can just google it.
Google your shit instead of believing what people are saying on a forum.

PIP usually comes from solvents, high concentration, bacteria etc. If you use a big vial (20ml+) you'll get pip because bacteria will get in the vial.
I've always gotten pip after a while from injecting gear from 40ml+ vials.
I also get pip when it's cold. During fall, winter etc.

If you want to see if it's truly the raws that gives you pip. Get some GSO (not mygliol/MCT) filter only a couple of ml of gear (no BB no BA) just the hormone and the oil and inject. Then you'll know if it's the raws that gives you pip or not. Usually it's not the raws.
There are several threads about this topic on other forums (some that are over 10 years old)

I'd just get some test cyp, much easier to work with.

The part where he heats with the microwave wasn't the part I considered helpful. I'd never do that. The brief part of showing mixing the BA and BB in was the only thing that video had to offer. Seems like most people prefer Ena over Cyp and say it's one of the easiest raws to work with. Cyp is actually my test of choice. But I've read that, for some reason they never explain, that Cyp is problematic at 250mg. I have both Ena and Cyp and when I'm set up I'm going to see if I have a problem getting it to hold at 250. Ena sounds like more of a hassle if you truly have to burn off carbolic acid for a half hour at a high temp. I'd think the shorter the time you have to expose your compound to heat the better.

**THX** · 11-11-2018, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Gearhead

The part where he heats with the microwave wasn't the part I considered helpful. I'd never do that. The brief part of showing mixing the BA and BB in was the only thing that video had to offer. Seems like most people prefer Ena over Cyp and say it's one of the easiest raws to work with. Cyp is actually my test of choice. But I've read that, for some reason they never explain, that Cyp is problematic at 250mg. I have both Ena and Cyp and when I'm set up I'm going to see if I have a problem getting it to hold at 250. Ena sounds like more of a hassle if you truly have to burn off carbolic acid for a half hour at a high temp. I'd think the shorter the time you have to expose your compound to heat the better.

It's the opposite brother. Test ena is much more of a hassle to work with since it easily melts. So you have to put it in the freezer so it solidifies. As soon as you touch it, it will melt! Cyp is easy to work with since it's powder. It's easy to get it to hold at 250mg/ml. I've made it so many times, it's no harder than test ena TBH. As I've mentioned before, all you guys should just google carbolic acid/carboxylic acid. Do your own research and don't trust people on some forum. It's not recommended to use high heat no matter what compound you're using. If you're gonna brew your test cyp at 250mg/ml it won't crash or anything if you keep it at normal temperature.

My other post was not just for you, it was mostly for everyone that reads it. So people don't get any stupid ideas and put their vials in the microwave

**balin** · 11-12-2018, 02:55 PM

For the last 15 years of my home brewing, I have been using a hot water bath i.e. flask in a pan with water warming on the stove, to warm the solvent and dissolve the chemical. And it can't over heat to much as the water doesn't get to hot. Then add the carrier, and once it is warm filter, as it is easier with a warmer solution.

**Gearhead** · 11-13-2018, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by balin

For the last 15 years of my home brewing, I have been using a hot water bath i.e. flask in a pan with water warming on the stove, to warm the solvent and dissolve the chemical. And it can't over heat to much as the water doesn't get to hot. Then add the carrier, and once it is warm filter, as it is easier with a warmer solution.

I read somewhere that if you add the carrier after heating the compound and solvents, that you should first heat the carrier before mixing it in. Whether it matters or not it seems to make a bit of sense to me. Adding an unheated carrier would cause the temp of your heated mixture to drop rapidly and I don't know if that could cause a problem. That's why I'm trying to pick up any details I can. Even the smallest bit of accurate info is useful. From what most have said on this forum, I'm pretty sure I'm over-thinking the process. But I would rather over-think it than foul a batch because of ignorance.