Thread: Build My Next Cycle.

Hey guys, 72 year old dude here. Am I the oldest dude here?

Looking for suggestion for my next cycle starting sometime in Dec/Jan. 2018/2019.

Last cycle was with EQ 600mgs a week. TRT 350IU's twice a week of Cyp test a week. Was doing Tren 400mgs a week, but had to back out due to sleep issues. So stopped the Tren and did 50mg of Tren base, sometimes mixed with Test base before workouts only. Maybe 3 times a week. I also used P.P. Frog Juice before workouts, alternating between FG and the Test/Tren bases. Was using various orals mostly after I stopped the injectables, ie; Var, Winstrol, Turinabol and Proviron.

Last injection was Tren base on 8/17/18. Last oral was on 8/22/18. Have been doing just my normal 350IU Test Cyp injection since. Sometimes I forget to do my TRT injection for a week or two. But I keep a record of same, so I just inject when I see I'm late. It doesn't seem to effect me much, if at all? So its been about 5 weeks w/o any anabolics. I occasionally do HGH, 2-3 units maybe 3 times a week.

I've had all my blood panels done recently in the last two weeks everything looks good/normal, cholesterol levels are in the normal ranges.

What I have on hand is: 10ml vials of P.P. Labs 1-Frog Juice (Anadrol 25mg, Dianabol 25mg, Test no ester 50mg, Tren no ester 50mg) and 1-Test Undecanate 250mg/ml vial. Also have Cabaser 1mg tabs, Aromasin 25mg tabs, 1-200mg/ml Pharma 3 Tren Blend, 1-100mg/ml Pharma Mix (Tren 25mg, Test 50 mg, Stanozol 25mg. And als have Bitiron (T4 50mcg & T3 12.5mcg). I have a script for T3-5mcg tabs which I take every day along with one Bitiron tab.

So any suggestions for a stack starting around Dec/Jan 2018/2019 would be appreciated. I was listening to one of Dave Palumbo's video's on YouTube and he mentioned a Test/Masteron stack yields good body mass results. I'm not looking to do a show or be a mass monster, rather just a buff beach bod type. Or maybe for a photo profile to make the gurls go Damn Son I want a piece of that, lol? If possible? It gets harder as U get older to put on and hold muscle, just my exp. I really don't feel any of the anabolics I've mentioned/used, but they weren't in massive quantities either. So my gains weren't that great, but I did the best I could with the weights.

I've noticed a dramatic loss of strength as I get older, especially with the legs. Even tho I ride a bike everywhere around town. That's why we don't see Mr. Olympia's over a certain age. Just can't hold that mass, strength naturally decreases as we age. Just have to do the best U can.

So any questions, fire away amigo's. Thanks, Sumguy.

Originally Posted by RockDawg

Dang brother you’re a rare dude!!! I don’t know what to tell yeah. How long have you been dabbling with AAS? How do you feel at your age while on cycle? I imagine great lol. Why did you stop injections?

R. Thanks, sorry for the late reply, tried many times to get back on the site but it keep spinning and timing out and giving me a "Try again later" message? Anybody else have this problem?

As to your reply yea, I do feel pretty rare doing what I'm doing, but you do see older dudes getting buff in videos on YouTube and stuff.

I've only been dabbling with AAS a few times, most recently with low dose TRT about a 1-1/2 years now. I tried some Equipose a year ago, but it was only like 300mg a week. This last time was like 600mgs a week with the other stuff I mentioned. I gained several pounds, but not anything you would notice like 15-20lbs.

How do you feel at your age while on cycle?

R. I would say I really didn't feel much of anything to be honest. I don't why this is? I thought I would, but I didn't. Maybe I was a bit stronger or recovered better IDK? But I didn't experience that feeling of well-being? Again, IDK why? Maybe that's with higher dosage T injections IDK? I mean I did Tren 400mgs a week for awhile, but again didn't notice anything, other than I had trouble sleeping while on it. So I said F that, sleep is more important to me. So I tried the tren base before workouts, which has a much shorter time it actually works. So its in and out rather quickly. Rather than a long ester like Tren enthanate.

My sources came from legit sources here on the board. So doubt it was the gear.

I did do Tren years ago with the cow pellets years and I got/had that alpha male thing going on. That increased confidence thing. But I didn't get it this time around? Just seemed like another normal day at the gym. My pumps seemed to be increase tho, like it would be kind of painful like. That's one thing I noticed. I noticed the muscles getting more defined and harder, but nothing drastic like a wow kind of thing? Or like hell yea that dudes on gear look, lol?

Why did you stop injections?

R. Just following cycle protocol, 16 weeks for Equipose. Once I got to 16 weeks I stopped. Then did another 3-4 weeks of the orals mentioned above. Then I stopped that. And I've been clean since just to let the body get back to its normal self. Time on equals time, off sounds good to me or makes sense.

So now I'm looking for advice/suggestions on a different cycle to start sometime in Dec./Jan of 2018-2019.

Running cycles at 75 years old wow lol! Why not just stick to test/hgh and last as long as you can? Arnold is 75 as well...hmmmm

Originally Posted by Hnausa

Running cycles at 75 years old wow lol! Why not just stick to test/hgh and last as long as you can? Arnold is 75 as well...hmmmm

R. Thanks. Yea don't see many guys my age posting here, but hey? Should have an "Over 60" sub-forum, lol. That's my basic program for now. Just do the low dose TRT thing with HGH 3-4 times a week, sometimes less. Sometimes I just forget or I'm too tired and fall asleep. Yea Arnold is getting there, but he stays active looking at his YouTube video's. I do notice a big strength decrease in the leg department tho. Can't push the weights I did when I was in my 50's.

[QUOTE=LowT;847493]Sorry so late to get back with you.

R. No problemo.

Yes, caber will do just fine with the deca or any 19-Nor, especially Tren. I don't think you'd have any issues with 600mgs EW. I prefer M-W-F injections but you can get away with e3d.

R. So if I did the 600mgs a week Deca, how much Caber should I use a week U think? 1/2mg okay? I would think maybe 2-300mg injections a week?

Ok, I didn't know you were still doing your trt and gh. Should have known though.

R. If I start the cycle at a later date do you think I should up the Test some or leave it at the TRT maintenance level? Which is curently 350IU's twice a week. 200mg/ml Test Cyp. Which keeps me around 8-900mg/ml Tot. T on labs.

Good, you can add the deca. It'll take 4-5 weeks before you start seeing results but when it kicks in, it's good shit.

R. Never did Deca, but what kind of gains can I expect with 600mgs a week?

You can also do NPP @ 100mgs EOD for starters instead of the deca. It's just the short ester version of deca. Less water retention. I like both. A lot.
Haha.... yeah, I'm a leg and ass man!!

R. So how long would I do the NPP for? Or R-U saying do both until the Deca kicks in--in weeks 4-5? Does the NPP have PIP? Same question for Deca?
Yea that is one nice ass in that pic! Like to shake my face in those buns for sure. She could be a top ten ass for the Ms. Olympia best ass contest!

Subscribing to this thread so I can keep up and get back in a timely manner.

R. Thanks need all the help I can get, thanks appreciate it.

And hey, I just turned 50 and been using since 1996. I converted the pellets as well from 2003-2012 and then they disappeared. Had a great source too. I miss those bad boys.

R. Yea, have to agree they were the bomb. Pure Tren ace. Dissolved them in alcohol and mixed with DMSO as a topical. Worked pretty good. Definitely felt it, had that Aplha male thing going on. Chicks just sense you, lol. It was good stuff, lol.

Have a good one.
LowT

LowT; Sorry so late to get back with you.

Yes, caber will do just fine with the deca or any 19-Nor, especially Tren. I don't think you'd have any issues with 600mgs EW. I prefer M-W-F injections but you can get away with e3d.

R. At my age do you think I could lower the Deca dosage to say 400mg a week. And maybe add NPP to the mix because of the short ester of NPP? Say 200mgs of Deca mixed with 50-100mgs of NPP twice a week? To get both the short and longer versions of Deca?

Then when the Deca finally kicks in, whenever that is, 5-6 weeks down the road, I can drop the NPP and just continue with the Deca at a maintenance dose of 400mg a week?

You can also do NPP @ 100mgs EOD for starters instead of the deca. It's just the short ester version of deca. Less water retention. I like both. A lot.

R. So same as above, could I or do you advise mixing the two Deca esters (NPP & Deca) as per above say for the first 4-6 weeks? Any PIP with this mix or either compound?

My other questions are:

1. I would like to try adding Masteron to the cycle, never tried it before? So my question is which ester to use and why? And at what point would I incorporate Mast? I would presume maybe toward the 2nd half of the cycle?

2. Would Cabergoline at 1mg a week be appropriate to alleviate any prolactin or estrogen issues given the Deca/Npp dosages above?
I would use Aromasin 12.5mg sparingly or maybe twice a week. Depending on if I increase my TRT Test dosage?

3. Which is my next question. If I did increase my TRT dose, how much would be sufficient? I don't want to go crazy with dosages like I am preparing for a contest. My TRT weekly dose is about 170mg a week divided in two doses. I would like to keep dosages as low as possible, but still be able to show some gains. I think I can gain weight and feel comfortable in the 150-160 range for my body frame size. The heaviest I have been is 160lbs and that was when I ran a SARM cycle. I wasn't working out in a gym, but mostly using my own body weight to exercise at home. But that weight disappeared once the SARM's wore off. But I was impressed I gained that much weight with the SARM's.

4. I have a vial of PPL Test Undecanate 250mg/ml and PPL Frog Juice (Anadrol 25mg, Dianabol 25mg, Test Base 50mg, Tren Base 50mg) 150mg/per ml. I could add the Undecanote to the TRT dose if suggested? The Frog Juice would be a pre-workout thing.

5. I also have Pharmacoms 5 mix: (Tren Base 25mg, Test Base 50mg, Stanozolol 25mg, 100mg/ml). Which is also a pre-workout mix.

6. Also have a 10ml vial of Pharma 3 Tren 200mg/ml mix. (acetate, enanthate and hexahydrobenzylcarbonate).

I did 400mg of Tren Enanthate a week for a few weeks in my last cycle, but I started having sleep issues, so I dropped the tren in order to sleep. So if I did use this mix it would be at a low weekly dose. Maybe 100mg a week and work up to 200mg a week and see how it goes?

PHARMAcom has a MIX M 300 is a blend of two drostanolone esters: propionate and enanthate. Their add says: It is designed to provide a fast yet extended release of drostanolone. This blend is perfect for long cycles to ensure high quality lean muscle bulk and dense look without excess subcutaneous water retention typical found with long esters. It combines well with testosterone and trenbolone blends (PHARMA SUST 300, 500, PHARMA 3-TREN) and long testosterone and trenbolone esters (PHARMA TEST E 300, E 500, C 250; PHARMA TREN E 200, H 100). A similar stack is implemented in our last development – PHARMA MIX 6, which has already earned a total sales success similarly to PHARMA MIX 2.

So was thinking a Masteron 300 mix, might work well with the Pharma 3 Tren mix and or the Test Undecanate compounds I already have.

The Pharmacom Mix 2 (Tren Ace 75mg, Test Phenylpropionate 75mg and Masteron/Drostanolone Propionate 100mg, 250mg/ml) also looks convenient. With convenience in mind, only three injections are needed per week to reap the benefits of this incredibly potent synergetic stack of three powerful drugs. (Pharmacom add).

The only problem with Pharmacom I've had is the lenght of delivery can be up to 6 weeks. So if I ordered right away it might be somewhere in Nov/Dec before stuff arrives. Possibly 2-3 weeks, hard to say? Depends on time of year, holidays, etc. Would prefer to order domestically these mixes if available?

Any suggestions on any of the above welcomed.