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Originally Posted by
bdad
I haven't tried any form of tren since converting the pellets, the mental sides were more that I was willing to endure. I have read where people swear para has less sides?
Running para... Week 4 at 200/wk ... No sides other than I get a little thermal from time to time... Seeing great recomp already.
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Originally Posted by
bdad
I haven't tried any form of tren since converting the pellets, the mental sides were more that I was willing to endure. I have read where people swear para has less sides?
Para/hex seem to be better tolerated by everyone. I think its the timing of the half life and the fact that much lower doses give better results.
BPP
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As bigpapa says yes it is tolerated better then E or Ace...what i have seen over the years you get fewer unwanted sides...but the gains are excellent even at which some woukld consider low doses like 200-300mgs per week.
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Originally Posted by
bigpapapumpaf
Para/hex seem to be better tolerated by everyone. I think its the timing of the half life and the fact that much lower doses give better results.
BPP
Totally Agree!! Max Favorite all time compound! Test and Deca too! Lol
Max
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I will definitely be keeping an eye on this thread - lots of great ideas and experience already.
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Originally Posted by
maxmuscle1
Totally Agree!! Max Favorite all time compound! Test and Deca too! Lol
Max
What do you run hex at if you don’t mind me asking? I have a few bottles left over from a prior cycle I may incorporate into a future blast.
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Originally Posted by
Yateslite
What do you run hex at if you don’t mind me asking? I have a few bottles left over from a prior cycle I may incorporate into a future blast.
I only use whey and Creatine, but a friend likes 200-325mg a week
Max
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Originally Posted by
maxmuscle1
I only use whey and Creatine, but a friend likes 200-325mg a week
Max
Much appreciated - please thank your friend for me
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jolter604
Yes i vould do 100 6 years ago now 40mg the feel sun burn
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Which ester you prefer, I read hex has lower sides. Hearing this actually made me want to give that a shot.
I've read that Hex has less sides than Enanthate/Ace
I've read that NPP has less sides than Deca
IMO what's most important is to figure out why guys claim to experience less sides on different esters. What we do know is Tren base, Tren Ace, Tren E & Tren Hex all have the exact same hormone. We also know that when a carbon chain ester is attached a cleave off of the ester and a gradual release of the hormone occurs. This is a big factor however what I believe to be the biggest factor is the dosing schedule & how this varies when users choose the different esters. Let's look at the different ester/hormone weights.
100mg Trenbolone Acetate = 87mg Trenbolone
100mg Trenbolone Enanthate = 70mg Trenbolone
100mg Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate = 70mg Trenbolone
Users will run 150 - 200mg a week of Hex so knowing the above, how much hormone is in Hex, this brings up yet another point.
2cc or 150mg of Hex contains 105mg of hormone.
2cc of E or 400mg = 280mg of hormone.
So what I've seen over the yrs is lower volume more frequent injections usually = less sides.
We all know that lower doses keep us in the good spectrum of the dose response curve and we experience less diminishing returns.
Guess I can sum it up by stating the different esters are far from the only factor that predicates sides. Usually guys who run Deca pin less frequently than on NPP. Infrequent high mg doses IMO will yield more undesirable sides. Also users who run Deca over NPP usually run it on a bulk so their diet & training are much different too.
I've also read guys state that "its all the same hormone so the different esters do not play a role in sides." I don't agree it's that simple.
Last edited by Riggs; 10-11-2020 at 09:40 PM.
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Originally Posted by
IRISHOAK
Its not that complicated. Everyone nowadays seems to want to run 8 fxxking items but they have their test at trt dose?!! Test is what makes a man a man! Not feeling manly enough? Up the fxxking test and never mind all the gh and short ester dailys and fancy high-maintenence shit! Run a gram of test a week and I guarantee you you wont need 8 other compounds!
I agree and I'll add a little more.
IMO the 3 sex hormones make a man "a man." And IMO DHT is where it's at if you want the alpha male feel. All AAS are formulated off the Testosterone molecule with small changes. These small changes have profound affects. IMO Nandrolone is as close as you can get to Testosterone. When I run high Test with high Deca the sides are wicked and I have to run a list of ancillaries. I'm planning an 800mg Deca/300mg Test E blast soon. I also run Finasteride with it so down regulation to 5α-dihydro-19-nortestosterone is reduced.
My logic behind running low Test and for example high Nandrolone, Boldenone or Primo is when I run high Test as well I deal with much more sides. When it comes to stacking 1g of Test and for example 400 EQ or 300 Deca is not something I'm gonna do.
I do agree running for example a 5 hormone stack is over kill. I just read this stack yesterday & guess what he's 6' 210lbs! That's absurd! If I was running that many hormones and had those stats I'd immediately stop everything down to a Test cruise and get a new game plan.
Test
Deca
Tren
Primo
Proviron
Anadrol
Sorry shit I'm rambling......for me at 44 I get much more of an Alpha feel from DHT (derivatives). For me high Testosterone only fits in a bulk blast. I heavily down regulate Test starting @ 400 - 500mg E a week. @ 400mg a week my dose to Total T ratio = 8 x dose so Total T averages 3200. @750mg a week I down regulate at a higher rate and Total T on average is 4 - 5 x dose....so 750mg is usually between 3000 - 3750. 400 Test a week for me is much less down regulation and IMO that's where the undesirable sides kick in. When I last ran 1g a week of Test I looked like a fucking chipmunk which in a bulk blast is an acceptable side.
My last bulk was a while back and it's likely I won't bulk again for yrs to come. I've settled at 237 and at my age I don't hold weight the way I did at 25 or 35. I'm much happier 237 with a solid six pack, hard as granite, and vascular asf.
I don't disagree with ya IO, you're points are all valid, just sharing where I'm at in my journey. I sure asf wish I could run a gram of Test a week and experience the results you do. Gawwd that would be fucking amazing. That's paradise!
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