First Cycle PCT help

**noarch** · 08-23-2014, 07:14 PM

Hi guys. Apologies if this is an old horse that's been beaten to death. But, PCT is the most confusing aspect of this whole game for me.....so many conflicting opinions make it frustrating to figure out. I'm 6 weeks into my first cycle (500 mg Test E + tbol kickstart for the first 4 weeks). I'm planning on running it for 12 weeks, taking two weeks off (running my AI through those two weeks), and then starting up PCT.

My PCT plan is Nolvadex at 40/40/20/20.

I did a bunch of research before diving in, and read a lot of people doing Clomid + Nolvadex, but also heard lots of guys say Nolva only was "fine." I was thinking I might need to pick up some clomid to add to my pct, but then started reading up on it again and remembered the reasons I decided on Nolva only......the sides on clomid just seem too risky and undesirable, especially since my cycle was pretty "mild."

I think I'm pretty solidly in the Nolva-only camp, but thought I'd put it out there for one more round of comments. Is there a real, compelling reason to add Clomid?? Some people say it's "better," but what does that even mean? Faster? Easier? Fewer losses??

I'm probably opening a can of worms....just having a little inexperience and confidence issue!

**kubes** · 08-23-2014, 07:16 PM

I would run the nova alongside the nolvadex. The sides are easily managed by lowering the dose and if you choose not to run the clomid i would add in another serm like torem.

**noarch** · 08-23-2014, 07:16 PM

And then....

My second question is regarding hCG. I'm not running it through the course of my cycle. Does it make sense to add it prior to the end of my cycle to get my nutz up and running in advance of starting the Nolva? I think I've read about adding it in around the last two weeks of a cycle, and discontinuing before PCT actually starts. That seems to make some sense to me. Yes?

Thanks BOP....

**kubes** · 08-23-2014, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by noarch

And then....

My second question is regarding hCG. I'm not running it through the course of my cycle. Does it make sense to add it prior to the end of my cycle to get my nutz up and running in advance of starting the Nolva? I think I've read about adding it in around the last two weeks of a cycle, and discontinuing before PCT actually starts. That seems to make some sense to me. Yes?

Thanks BOP....

How far are you in to your cycle?

**noarch** · 08-23-2014, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by kubes

I would run the nova alongside the nolvadex. The sides are easily managed by lowering the dose and if you choose not to run the clomid i would add in another serm like torem.

I think you meant run the clomid alongside the nolvadex, right?

Why? What's the rationale behind adding clomid....if it's "better," what makes it better?? Trying to understand something that's pretty confusing to me.

**noarch** · 08-23-2014, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by kubes

How far are you in to your cycle?

Finished week 6 of 12.

**kubes** · 08-23-2014, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by noarch

I think you meant run the clomid alongside the nolvadex, right?

Why? What's the rationale behind adding clomid....if it's "better," what makes it better?? Trying to understand something that's pretty confusing to me.

The two compounds work together synergistic and yes i meant run the clomid alongside the nolvadex

**tyga** · 09-04-2014, 01:25 PM

believe nolva has very little effect on LH/FSH but does the best with binding to tissue in the breast. Clomid heavily stimulates LH/FSH.

the two together have synergy as kubes said.

**kubes** · 09-04-2014, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by tyga

believe nolva has very little effect on LH/FSH but does the best with binding to tissue in the breast. Clomid heavily stimulates LH/FSH.

the two together have synergy as kubes said.

Yes exactly brother