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      Quote Originally Posted by 1tuffcookie View Post
      What type of symptoms would I be looking for. I def. have been alittle more emotional lately, I know that's 1 effect, anymore??
      Some guys complain of being very emotional. There is also a rare visual side effect where you see streamers or chasers in your vision. The latter side effect is serious.
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      HCG and Clomid. I do like taking HCG throughout the cycle but find that it is most effect for the first few weeks. I'm not sure that the continuous HCG use is recommended. Nolvadex is a known carcinogen so I try to stay away from it.

      As for emotional effects, I'm not sure it is the clomid that causes that as much as the low test levels.

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      good pct. love all the info.

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      GREAT INFO!!!

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      awsome read

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      So aromasin stops test from converting to esti for ever?
      How long before the body produces new receptors?

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      Quote Originally Posted by bigdude View Post
      So aromasin stops test from converting to esti for ever?
      How long before the body produces new receptors?
      It's not receptors, it reproduces enzymes (aromatase). I doubt anyone has an accurate measurement of that.
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      Quote Originally Posted by exphys88 View Post
      It's not receptors, it reproduces enzymes (aromatase). I doubt anyone has an accurate measurement of that.
      so after taking for a peroid of time do you have to continue or can you stop using and the effects still work?

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      Quote Originally Posted by PAiN View Post
      Post Cycle Therapy




      Goals of post cycle therapy: Stimulation of the HPTA (Hypothalamic Pituitary Testicular Axis)

      SERMs (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators) - Block estrogen from acting on tissue.

      Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate)
      10mg tablets = 15.2mg of tamoxifen citrate which is equivalent to 10mg of tamoxifen.

      20mg tablets = 30.4mg of tamoxifen citrate which is equivalent to 20mg of tamoxifen.

      Raloxifene - Raloxifene is a selective estrogen receptor modulator that produces both estrogen-agonistic effects on bone and lipid metabolism and estrogen-antagonistic effects on uterine endometrium and breast tissue.

      Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid, Serophene) - Clomid is capable of reacting with all of the tissues in the body that have estrogen receptors. It influences the way that the four hormones GnRH, FSH, LH and estradiol, relate and interrelate. It appears that Clomid fools the body into believing that the estrogen level is low. This altered feedback information causes the hypothalamus to make and release more gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) which in turn causes the pituitary to make and release more FSH and LH. More follicle stimulating hormone and more luteinizing hormone should result in increased testosterone production.

      Droloxifine (experimental)

      Idoxifene (experimental)

      Toremifene Citrate (experimental) - Less toxic than tamoxifen citrate and better on lipids and bone density. Discussions: 1 2

      AIs (Aromatase Inhibitors): Aromatase is the enzyme that causes the conversion of testosterone into estradiol and androstenedione into estrone. Aromatase inhibitors lower the amount of estrogen in post-menopausal women who have hormone-receptor-positive breast cancer. The hormone estrogen delivers growth signals to the hormone receptors. With less estrogen in the body, the hormone receptors receive fewer growth signals, and cancer growth can be slowed down or stopped.

      6-OXO (chemical name: 3,6,17-androstenetrione) - A suicide inhibitor of aromatase. Binds to the aromatase enzyme in a permanent and irreversible manner, rendering it inactive. The result of this is an eventual diminishment of aromatase enzyme in the body and a concomitant reduction in estrogen levels. A corresponding increase in testosterone production is usually experienced as well.

      Arimidex (chemical name: anastrozole) - Type 2 "non-steroidal inhibitors." They also stop the activity of the aromatase enzyme, but not permanently.

      Letrozole (Femara) - An oral, anti-estrogen drug used for treating postmenopausal women with breast cancer. Letrozole prohibits the enzyme in the adrenal glands (aromatase) that produces the estrogens, estradiol and estrone. Can be taken with or without food.
      Aromasin (chemical name: exemestane) - Type 1 "steroidal inhibitor," which stops the activity of the aromatase enzyme forever.
      Chrysin - Chrysin is a flavonoid that has been purported especially in the bodybuilding world to be an effective inhibitor of an enzyme known as aromatase. European Olympic athletes report 1-3 grams of chrysin per day is a safe and effective dose. Chrysin may have poor bioavailability. Discuss
      Ester C (Vitamin C) - Has some natural Aromatase Inhibiting properties. 2-4 grams of Ester C per day should be safe.

      ATD (1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione): Stops estrogen production?
      Rebound XT - Can be run inversely to a SERM. This is best when hCG is included. As the SERM dose goes down and hCG is phased out over a few wks, the Rebound XT goes up. I've posted everywhere on this method. Also, Rebound XT can be used solo for uncomplicated PCTs when stacked with DHEA and Fenugreek for short, oral only cycles (1 month or less). Last, Rebound XT can be used at the very end of a PCT just to taper off of SERMs. I haven't tried it yet, but it makes sense for longer PCTs or when an edge on test production or reduced estrogen is desired long term.


      Ultra H.O.T.
      Ultra H.O.T.ter
      Anastrazole
      Letrozole
      Novedex XT

      Discussion on running SERM inverse to ATD
      Estrogen only "rebounds" based on the mechanism of suppression. SERM, for example, only masks estrogen expression by occupying receptors but estrogen production is left unchecked and actually increases as testosterone levels increase. AI's like letro inhibit inducible enzymes and just like a leaky faucet, they body will eventually try to balance the equation with increased aromatase activity. Steroidal AI's like Teslac, Exemestane, and ReboundXT will not result in 'rebound' phenomena because the inhibition is non-competitive and irreversible. They act as false substrates, so aromatase is still happy to act on them (instead of androstenedione) and the body keeps no record of an imbalance. There is no leaky faucet. In fact, after prolonged use, steroidal AI's often produce a protracted anti-e benefit even after being discontinued. This is why I suggest an inverse taper with SERM and RXT for PCT with an abrupt stoppage of RXT at the end. As the SERM elevates androgen/estrogen production, the AI dose is increased to compensate while the SERM is phased out. It works quite well to use this approach and rebound is not encountered. Adding LX and/or DHEA also really makes for a killer PCT in this scheme.


      This is a typical example of my PCT:


      wk1: Clomid 150mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, LX 75mg/d
      wk2: Clomid 100mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, LX 50mg/d
      wk3: Nolva 60mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, LX 25mg/d
      wk4: Nolva 40mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
      wk5: Nolva 20mg/d, RXT 75mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
      wk6: RXT 75mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d


      Notice I phase the Clomid out and introduce the Nolva later. This helps prevent sides from developing from accumulation of estrogenic metabolites from the Clomid and also acts to minimize the use of Nolva, which is more liver toxic than Clomid. Rebound is very unlikely and estrogen biosynthesis will likely be significantly lowered for 3+ wks even after the end of this PCT. I do long ones, as you can see.


      Read the entire discussion here


      The list below determines when you should start Clomid. Select from the list any steroids you've used in your cycle and whichever one has the latest starting point is the time to commence Clomid. For example, if Dianabol, Sustanon and Winstrol were cycled, the time for administering Clomid should be 3 weeks post cycle, as Sustanon remains active in the body for the longest period of time. Read the discussion here.



      Steroid...............Time after last administration.........Length of clomid cycle
      Anadrol50/Anapolan50........8 - 12 hours.............................3 weeks
      Deca durabolan.................3 weeks...................................4 weeks
      Dianabol...........................4 - 8 hours...............................3 weeks
      Equipoise.........................17 - 21 days..............................3 weeks
      Finajet/Trenbolone..............3 days....................................3 weeks
      Primabolan depot................10 - 14 days............................2 weeks
      Sustanon.............................3 weeks................................3 weeks
      Testosterone Cypionate..........2 weeks................................3 weeks
      Testosterone Enanthate/Testaviron...2 weeks.......................3 weeks
      Testosterone Propionate.........3 days..................................3 weeks
      Testosterone Suspension.........4 - 8 hours...........................2-3 weeks
      Winstrol.................................8 - 12 hours........................2-3 weeks

      Other products to help increase natural testosterone or aid workouts during PCT:

      Tribulus, Fenugreek, Forskolin, DHEA, Rebound XT, Rebound Reloaded, Reduce XT, ActivaTe, Anabolic Xtreme PCT, Retain (reduce cortisol), Lean Extreme (reduce cortisol), CEE (Creatine Ethyl Ester). Nitric Oxide (NO2), Ultra H.O.T., Ultra HOTTER

      Activate - Should be used starting the last wk or 2 wks of a cycle and continued for no longer than 8 total weeks into PCT. 6 weeks seems perfect to me. The first and last week of dosing should consist of a half dose, and the weeks in between full doses. It's okay to take more than the full dose too because it's effects are non-toxic and dose dependent.


      Products to help with blood pressure and cholesterol regulation / liver and support:


      Liver: K-R-ALA, NAC ( N-Acetyl-Cysteine), Milk Thistle (80% standardized Silymarin), Lecithin


      Cholesterol: Sesathin, Guggul, Red Yeast Rice*, CoEnzyme Q10*, Flax Seed Oil, Safflower Oil*, Policosanol*, Niacin, Garlic, Hawthorn Berry (helps regulate blood pressure as well), Pantethine

      Blood Pressure: Hawthorne Berry, Coenzyme Q10, Garlic (best with high concentration of Allicin), Celery Seed Extract (best with high concentration of 3NB), C-12 Peptide. Also, high-dose vitamin B6 and vitamin C. High-dose vitamin D is also beneficial for Blood Pressure (not sure how, though).


      Basic Post Cycle Therapy:

      Clomid:
      Day 1: 300mg
      Day 2-11: 100mg daily
      Day 12-21: 50mg daily


      Clomid:
      week 1: 150mg
      week 2: 100
      week 3: 50
      week 4: 50


      Tamoxifen:
      Week 1 (or 2): 40-50 mg daily.
      Week 2 (or 3) through week 4 (or 5): 20-25mg daily.


      Tamoxifen:
      week 1: 40mg daily
      week 2: 40mg daily
      week 3: 20mg daily
      week 4: 20mg daily


      Tamoxifen\Clomid Combo:
      Week 1: 150 clomid\60 nolva
      Week 2: 100 clomid\40 nolva
      Week 3: 50 clomid\20 nolva
      Week 4: 50 clomid\20 nolva



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      When do recommend starting HCG? The time period between the last pin and the start of clomid/nolvadex? What is the recommended doseage?

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