Thread: Do I definitely need pct

Use adex no matter what, its much easier to prevent the sides then try get rid of them when they come!
such as gyno, acne, high BP etc
run adex 0.5mg eod
and Nolva Pct 40/40/20/20

always get bloodwork.

Originally Posted by PAiN

Yes if you don't want those 12 weeks wasted.

Run Nolva and Clomid for post cycle therapy.

Tamoxifen\Clomid Combo:
Week 1: 150 clomid\60 nolva
Week 2: 100 clomid\40 nolva
Week 3: 50 clomid\20 nolva
Week 4: 50 clomid\20 nolva


More info

Post Cycle Therapy (PCT)

Stick with this pct advice OP.

Nolva blocks estrogen conversion and Clomid kick starts your natural test production. Without both, your recovery will be half assed and lead to complications down the road. Please do not think you can get by without one or the other like the posters above, unless you want to end up on trt some day.

In my experience, I only used clomid and was fine. That's not to say everyone would be as all of our bodies are different. There's also nothing wrong with playing it safe and adding nolva to the clomid. However, I would not take 150mg of clomid a day...Jesus I get blurred vision, bad headaches, and ringing in my ears (almost like an airplane being flown like 100ft over my head) if I take anything over 50mg per day...can't speak for the nolvadex as I've never used it. Start at whatever dose you think best and you can always adjust down if sides are unbearable.

Originally Posted by JohnDoe

In my experience, I only used clomid and was fine. That's not to say everyone would be as all of our bodies are different. There's also nothing wrong with playing it safe and adding nolva to the clomid. However, I would not take 150mg of clomid a day...Jesus I get blurred vision, bad headaches, and ringing in my ears (almost like an airplane being flown like 100ft over my head) if I take anything over 50mg per day...can't speak for the nolvadex as I've never used it. Start at whatever dose you think best and you can always adjust down if sides are unbearable.

Nolva is a serm, which will only help aid the natural test production while blocking the conversion to estrogen. The old idea of nolva only is dangerous, Clomid is a must. Luckily ais are more common which help that recovery with Clomid.

I do agree though, at 150mg my head would be splitting like a log on a fire

Originally Posted by enrod

Nolva is a serm, which will only help aid the natural test production while blocking the conversion to estrogen. The old idea of nolva only is dangerous, Clomid is a must. Luckily ais are more common which help that recovery with Clomid.

I do agree though, at 150mg my head would be splitting like a log on a fire

Thanks for the info on nolva. I've considered using it myself. ...just never have.

My nipples were abnormally sensitive this morning...not sure why. I'm taking 25mg of clomid daily along with my t cyp, eq, dbol.

Originally Posted by JohnDoe

Thanks for the info on nolva. I've considered using it myself. ...just never have.

My nipples were abnormally sensitive this morning...not sure why. I'm taking 25mg of clomid daily along with my t cyp, eq, dbol.

If you don't mind me asking, why are you running clomid along with your cycle?

All of those meds aromatize and can increase estrogen levels causing sensitive nipples. An AI would help, ie. arimidex/aromasin =)

Well mainly because I was going to see if I could bring the boys back online while on cycle and figured it would also help inhibit estrogen from binding at the receptor site...but I'm now second guessing the decision. I also have a pharmaceutical supply and figured what the hell.

Perhaps some adex is in order. Never tried using it but perhaps it would help w bloat?

I have heard of guys taking minimal doses of clmid on cycle to bring the boys back to life. but the best thing for this is HCG 250iu 2x week on cycle. If you cant get hcg i've heard of guys using clomid but its not the best idea and you only want to take very small doses. not very often. like once every 4 weeks from what i remember reading

i would not use clomid on cycle for this reason, unless your on just trt. then maybe it would make sense. but just take your AI's on cycle. then save the clmid for your pct.

if you want to bring the boys back to life, go with HCG

You don't NEED Pct.
The human body is adaptable and always wants to reach homeostasis.

In simple terms, if shut down over time you will come back online.

The problem is, how long will it take? Days, weeks, months, years? - Who knows.
This causes many issues, physically if your testosterone is low/shut off this will cause libido, mood, and many other problems.
Your estrogen levels will most likely raise to counter this, which may cause mood swings, acne, gyno etc.

Your mental health will be worse roller coaster of emotions, which may lead to depression, anxiety etc.
And the fact that you will have muscle tissue loss due to not being on exogenous hormones.

These can be issues will guys who EVEN use a good PCT protocol.

Be smart, use nolvadex, clomid etc. Get a blood test - keep yourself healthy and happy!