Thread: I Feel Miserable

Originally Posted by bobhead

Shit your already in pct, probably hold on the hcg. How much do you normally run on cycle?
Are your testicles atrophied?

at the most i usually run 500-800mg of test and tren always changing doses and esters. ran some eq, some anavar as well. yea balls are shrunk for sure.

What cycle did you run mate? Did you get your blood checked?

I see, I suspect you needed to increase your hcg dosage on cycle.

Perhaps in this situation, you could blast a single dose of hcg during your PCT.

I only use HCG when I notice some atrophy occurring. HCG will desensitize your leydig cell.

Originally Posted by srgrock

I thought hcg desensitizing leydig cells came from frequently administered high doses of hcg. So utilizing higher doses, if he was already running 250-500iu's 2-3x a week, would be counter productive? I guess it would depend on how much he was running to begin with.

Yes high dose will cause oxidative stress on the leydig cells. I think 250-500 is ok, no certainty though.

There's a study showing NAC helped prevent stress to the leydig cell. So I recommend anyone using HCG, to run NAC.

Originally Posted by bobhead

I see, I suspect you needed to increase your hcg dosage on cycle.

Perhaps in this situation, you could blast a single dose of hcg during your PCT.

I only use HCG when I notice some atrophy occurring. HCG will desensitize your leydig cell.

how much of a single dose?

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

how much of a single dose?

I was going to say your adrenal glands are suppressed from the HCG, but you mentioned testicular atrophy. So it could be a combination.

But most importantly would be the testicles. You need to address that first. I would blast a 1500iu once. If nothing is noticed, you may need to hit an entire 5000iu amp.

If you are seeing improvement with the nolva and clomid, then ride that through, may take a little longer than expected.