Thread: I Feel Miserable

Originally Posted by elmo33

Hey bro. Give the testicles a blast with HCG. Your leydig cells are probably still dormant and don't wanna wake up. I saw a urologist when I came off to have kids and we Re-blasted with HCG after starting clomid therapy because I wasn't responding. After HCG test levels came up to 900 on 50mg clomid a day. But bad news...I still felt like shit with those levels because we are use to being triple that....when I stopped the clomid my levels went back to 200 so blast and cruise for me now. My advice is throw more HCG in the mix and take 50mg clomid ED for as long as you want until you want to go back on. If you want to come off for good get bloods after 4 weeks of clomid and see where you are. Then stop everything and get bloods another 4 weeks after all drugs have stopped. Good luck!!

how much hcg now that im in pct?

Are you still taking clomid?

If you are i wouldnt change anything until 3 months after you stop. More HCG will just delay the process of restoring natural testosterone.

Try natural testosterone boosters nothing that will supress.

Its all apart of pct.

If i touch clomid my dick doesnt work period. Have to use viagra then its still sub par.

Originally Posted by Thappy

Are you still taking clomid?

If you are i wouldnt change anything until 3 months after you stop. More HCG will just delay the process of restoring natural testosterone.

Try natural testosterone boosters nothing that will supress.

Its all apart of pct.

If i touch clomid my dick doesnt work period. Have to use viagra then its still sub par.

yea only week 2 of pct still taking clomid....and yea i think hcg will also prolong things

Just keep at it bro its hard thing to do but it will pick up. trying taking low dose cialis. and tribulous

Originally Posted by srgrock

I thought hcg desensitizing leydig cells came from frequently administered high doses of hcg. So utilizing higher doses, if he was already running 250-500iu's 2-3x a week, would be counter productive? I guess it would depend on how much he was running to begin with.

Yes high dose will cause oxidative stress on the leydig cells. I think 250-500 is ok, no certainty though.

There's a study showing NAC helped prevent stress to the leydig cell. So I recommend anyone using HCG, to run NAC.

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

how much of a single dose?

I was going to say your adrenal glands are suppressed from the HCG, but you mentioned testicular atrophy. So it could be a combination.

But most importantly would be the testicles. You need to address that first. I would blast a 1500iu once. If nothing is noticed, you may need to hit an entire 5000iu amp.

If you are seeing improvement with the nolva and clomid, then ride that through, may take a little longer than expected.

I know some people may not agree with me here, but I would bet your estrogen is dominant right now. I would jump on some Aromasin (because its suicidal, no rebound) for a couple weeks to bring it back down. HCG is good to take right when you come off but it can raise estrogen as well and could make you feel worse if estro is already too high... just an idea. I have been blasting and cruising for a couple years now though.

Originally Posted by Herc

I know some people may not agree with me here, but I would bet your estrogen is dominant right now. I would jump on some Aromasin (because its suicidal, no rebound) for a couple weeks to bring it back down. HCG is good to take right when you come off but it can raise estrogen as well and could make you feel worse if estro is already too high... just an idea. I have been blasting and cruising for a couple years now though.

I would agree with this actually but you can drop the nolva if asin is added. You dont need both but it doesnt make a difference

Estrogen can easily cause ED. But his gonads aren't waking up.

Originally Posted by bobhead

Estrogen can easily cause ED. But his gonads aren't waking up.

The thing is you dont know unless bloods are done. No point adding more suppressive drugs when you are trying to recover. Ball size is not a tell tail sign.

Aromasin actually raises natural testosterone as well