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      Hey bro. Give the testicles a blast with HCG. Your leydig cells are probably still dormant and don't wanna wake up. I saw a urologist when I came off to have kids and we Re-blasted with HCG after starting clomid therapy because I wasn't responding. After HCG test levels came up to 900 on 50mg clomid a day. But bad news...I still felt like shit with those levels because we are use to being triple that....when I stopped the clomid my levels went back to 200 so blast and cruise for me now. My advice is throw more HCG in the mix and take 50mg clomid ED for as long as you want until you want to go back on. If you want to come off for good get bloods after 4 weeks of clomid and see where you are. Then stop everything and get bloods another 4 weeks after all drugs have stopped. Good luck!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by elmo33 View Post
      Hey bro. Give the testicles a blast with HCG. Your leydig cells are probably still dormant and don't wanna wake up. I saw a urologist when I came off to have kids and we Re-blasted with HCG after starting clomid therapy because I wasn't responding. After HCG test levels came up to 900 on 50mg clomid a day. But bad news...I still felt like shit with those levels because we are use to being triple that....when I stopped the clomid my levels went back to 200 so blast and cruise for me now. My advice is throw more HCG in the mix and take 50mg clomid ED for as long as you want until you want to go back on. If you want to come off for good get bloods after 4 weeks of clomid and see where you are. Then stop everything and get bloods another 4 weeks after all drugs have stopped. Good luck!!
      how much hcg now that im in pct?

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      Hey brother,
      I've had similar experiences for a week or so coming off which is kinda weird because we both are young and it sounds like your not running extreme amounts of gear. Here is my 02 cents and a little "out of the box" type thinking, but nonetheless I felt like it really helped on my last cycle recovery. Aside from the recovery protocols the brothers gave you, I strongly encourage you to revisit your diet and training. I just put this out there because I personally believe in cases like this it would be best to eat and train a lil different. I really upped my fats with avocados and other healthy fats sources and even ate a little shitty during my PCT. I went back to the basic lifts and lifted heavy, low reps with lots of days off. Maybe only hit the gym 2-3 times a week. Personally, I was soley focused on recovery and I felt that this was very helpful. Now, I felt like this really made a difference for me, but it might be more severe in your case, but i still think diet and training have a strong correlation with optimal recovery and should be mentioned. Wish you luck brother!
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      Are you still taking clomid?

      If you are i wouldnt change anything until 3 months after you stop. More HCG will just delay the process of restoring natural testosterone.

      Try natural testosterone boosters nothing that will supress.

      Its all apart of pct.

      If i touch clomid my dick doesnt work period. Have to use viagra then its still sub par.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Thappy View Post
      Are you still taking clomid?

      If you are i wouldnt change anything until 3 months after you stop. More HCG will just delay the process of restoring natural testosterone.

      Try natural testosterone boosters nothing that will supress.

      Its all apart of pct.

      If i touch clomid my dick doesnt work period. Have to use viagra then its still sub par.
      yea only week 2 of pct still taking clomid....and yea i think hcg will also prolong things

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      Just keep at it bro its hard thing to do but it will pick up. trying taking low dose cialis. and tribulous

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      I know some people may not agree with me here, but I would bet your estrogen is dominant right now. I would jump on some Aromasin (because its suicidal, no rebound) for a couple weeks to bring it back down. HCG is good to take right when you come off but it can raise estrogen as well and could make you feel worse if estro is already too high... just an idea. I have been blasting and cruising for a couple years now though.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Herc View Post
      I know some people may not agree with me here, but I would bet your estrogen is dominant right now. I would jump on some Aromasin (because its suicidal, no rebound) for a couple weeks to bring it back down. HCG is good to take right when you come off but it can raise estrogen as well and could make you feel worse if estro is already too high... just an idea. I have been blasting and cruising for a couple years now though.
      I would agree with this actually but you can drop the nolva if asin is added. You dont need both but it doesnt make a difference

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      Estrogen can easily cause ED. But his gonads aren't waking up.

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      Quote Originally Posted by bobhead View Post
      Estrogen can easily cause ED. But his gonads aren't waking up.
      The thing is you dont know unless bloods are done. No point adding more suppressive drugs when you are trying to recover. Ball size is not a tell tail sign.

      Aromasin actually raises natural testosterone as well

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