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I'm gonna have to disagree with your coach and Old G (sorry mate!). Clomid is the piece missing in your arsenal, OTC test boosters are shit compared to it. Get your ass on 4-6 weeks of clomid (100/100/50/50) and keep the nolva on hand through-out around 20mg/day. If you don't want to go TRT, this is your best route.
Also, 750iu HCG ED? Seems a bit much imo.
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First off your coach doesn’t know jack. So I’m sorry you got a terrible protocol with a crappy pct.
As far as bouncing back I like what old g said with getting on test for 6 weeks or so. However I would say do 250mg or 500mg. Basically trt dose or a moderate dose just to get you past the harsh shut down of the deca tren combo which is one of the dumbest combos I’ve heard of. (Sorry I just hate when other ppl fuck other ppl up)
Anyways run test E or C for 6 weeks. First 3 weeks on Sunday hit hcg at 700ius & take 25mg clomid Monday, Wednesday, Friday. After the 3rd week run hcg at 500iu every Monday, Wednesday, Friday & keep clomid at 25mg same days and do tht until the 5th week. Final week 6 give hcg & clomid a break. The week after the last pin hit HCG 500ius Monday-Sunday. (Last week the test will be in your system) then start PCT protocol. I suggest:
Week 1-2
Adex 1mg ed
Clomid 50mg ed
Nolva 40mg ed
Saw palmetto ed
NAC ed
Tudca ed
Week 3-4
Adex .5mg ed
Clomid 25mg ed
Nolva 20mg ed
Saw palmetto ed
NAC ed
Tudca ed
Week 5:
Adex .5mg Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday
Clomid 25mg Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday
Nolva 20mg Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday
Saw palmetto ed
NAC ed
Tudca ed
Hope this helps man
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Originally Posted by
enrod
I'm gonna have to disagree with your coach and Old G (sorry mate!). Clomid is the piece missing in your arsenal, OTC test boosters are shit compared to it. Get your ass on 4-6 weeks of clomid (100/100/50/50) and keep the nolva on hand through-out around 20mg/day. If you don't want to go TRT, this is your best route.
Also, 750iu HCG ED? Seems a bit much imo.
My problem with clomid is it made me a bitch, I didn’t say it wouldn’t work. And he shouldn’t be on hcg at all, we all used so our nuts didn’t atrophy period, in don’t know why you guys think it’s a pct , it’s not. And 750 iu of hcg ed, that’s crazy , you will get gyno you keep that up. I got the worst gyno ever from hcg, my nips hurt for a month
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Old g
My problem with clomid is it made me a bitch, I didn’t say it wouldn’t work. And he shouldn’t be on hcg at all, we all used so our nuts didn’t atrophy period, in don’t know why you guys think it’s a pct , it’s not. And 750 iu of hcg ed, that’s crazy , you will get gyno you keep that up. I got the worst gyno ever from hcg, my nips hurt for a month
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Precisely, hcg is a kickstart/precursor for pct and during cycle. not to be ran during actual pct phase
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Primemuscle
First off your coach doesn’t know jack. So I’m sorry you got a terrible protocol with a crappy pct.
As far as bouncing back I like what old g said with getting on test for 6 weeks or so. However I would say do 250mg or 500mg. Basically trt dose or a moderate dose just to get you past the harsh shut down of the deca tren combo which is one of the dumbest combos I’ve heard of. (Sorry I just hate when other ppl fuck other ppl up)
Anyways run test E or C for 6 weeks. First 3 weeks on Sunday hit hcg at 700ius & take 25mg clomid Monday, Wednesday, Friday. After the 3rd week run hcg at 500iu every Monday, Wednesday, Friday & keep clomid at 25mg same days and do tht until the 5th week. Final week 6 give hcg & clomid a break. The week after the last pin hit HCG 500ius Monday-Sunday. (Last week the test will be in your system) then start PCT protocol. I suggest:
Week 1-2
Adex 1mg ed
Clomid 50mg ed
Nolva 40mg ed
Saw palmetto ed
NAC ed
Tudca ed
Week 3-4
Adex .5mg ed
Clomid 25mg ed
Nolva 20mg ed
Saw palmetto ed
NAC ed
Tudca ed
Week 5:
Adex .5mg Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday
Clomid 25mg Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday
Nolva 20mg Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday
Saw palmetto ed
NAC ed
Tudca ed
Hope this helps man
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Brother I went on my cruise in 1998, I’m still on it lmao.
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Old g
Brother I went on my cruise in 1998, I’m still on it lmao.
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I hear ya man lol. I’m a fan of blasting and cruising. However just trying to give Blackwolf some type of guidance and a protocol that may be able to jumpstart him back to life from the predicament he’s currently in since he does not want to cruise on trt.... for now
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Primemuscle
I hear ya man lol. I’m a fan of blasting and cruising. However just trying to give Blackwolf some type of guidance and a protocol that may be able to jumpstart him back to life from the predicament he’s currently in since he does not want to cruise on trt.... for now
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It’s all good brother , we’re all just trying to help him.I feel bad for him , it sucks when this shit happens. This is the downside to our obsession
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Originally Posted by
enrod
I'm gonna have to disagree with your coach and Old G (sorry mate!). Clomid is the piece missing in your arsenal, OTC test boosters are shit compared to it. Get your ass on 4-6 weeks of clomid (
100/100/50/50) and keep the nolva on hand through-out around 20mg/day. If you don't want to go TRT, this is your best route.
Also, 750iu HCG ED? Seems a bit much imo.
In my humble opinion, this will be your best bet at this point to meet your goals and beliefs, since u wish to forego trt at this time!
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My advice
get back on 250mg/wk of Test e run that for about a month then along with nolva then run some hcg to give the boys a kick and follow up with clomid
weeks 1-4
250mg/wk Test e
20mg nolva ed
weeks 5
250mg test e
20mg nolva ed
3000iu hgh mon-thursday
week 6
1500iu hcg mon-thurs
20mg nolva ed
week 7
20mg nolva ed
week 8
add clomid 50mg ed for 30 days
reason for above is to first get your body back up and running in a good test range then restart the reboot again to help body get back to normal ranges
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Fire your coach #1. Stop the natural test boosters #2. I don't know what you're taking but natural or not they are probably making your body think its making enough test.
Clomid will help you and the time for hcg has past as others have suggested.
If you don't want to take another test cycle, a week or two of dbol can help. Get your test up, then hit clomid and you will be good. I've never heard anyone say that clomid turned them into a bitch so I have no comment there.
BPP
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