Thread: HCG needed for TRT patients?

Originally Posted by babybull34

This is solid advice to combat the estro-sides. Personally, I am of the camp that HCG is more of a aesthetic issue than a functional issue on TRT. Long term use of HCG will cause a de-sensitization to FH and LSH, which is counterproductive. Additionally, HCG will increase estro-sides.

Now, I am not saying don't use HCG. It has it's place, even on TRT, but I do not believe it should be used ongoing on a weekly basis. I am sure that many others will disagree. However, if it was a requirement for proper TRT Endo's would be prescribing it with the Test. This is actually incredibly rare. Most Endo's won't even talk about.

You are right to an extent about desensitization of HCG,run NAC with it and it keeps your body from desensitizing. NAC actually keeps that from happening. I myself like the HCG on TRT dose ever since started using HCG free and total test is up and boys are same but size (normal) but a lot more sensitive. HCG I don't get from my Dr he won't write it but did my research to give a try and really am liking so for Myself I prefer with HCG. But I will say only been using it for about 8 months now so down the road idk yet. Know guys who use and don't use it's really how you prefer. There are studies of why HCG should be a part of a correct HRT, just don't know how to post.

Originally Posted by babybull34

This is solid advice to combat the estro-sides. Personally, I am of the camp that HCG is more of a aesthetic issue than a functional issue on TRT. Long term use of HCG will cause a de-sensitization to FH and LSH, which is counterproductive. Additionally, HCG will increase estro-sides.

Now, I am not saying don't use HCG. It has it's place, even on TRT, but I do not believe it should be used ongoing on a weekly basis. I am sure that many others will disagree. However, if it was a requirement for proper TRT Endo's would be prescribing it with the Test. This is actually incredibly rare. Most Endo's won't even talk about.

Wanted to add your completely right about Drs Endos talking about or even letting you say a word about HCG. Added from my other post. I agree with what you said just have different opinion on using Myself.

Originally Posted by Bullseye Forever

I know I’ve been through 3 Endos and none of them will even talk about hcg at all!!


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I directly asked mine and he stopped the convo cold saying it was an off-script use and it was for women. Discussion was over.

Originally Posted by babybull34

I directly asked mine and he stopped the convo cold saying it was an off-script use and it was for women. Discussion was over.

Completely right.

Originally Posted by RedWood1

Wanted to add your completely right about Drs Endos talking about or even letting you say a word about HCG. Added from my other post. I agree with what you said just have different opinion on using Myself.

That's what this board is for, brother, sharing experiences, approaches, and opinions. I appreciate you sharing yours.

As far as sharing studies, just copy and paste the address from your browser (the bar at the top that has Website.com....) that will let you share the info. Or select the infowith your mouse, right-click and select copy. Then come to the reply window and right-click and select paste. Either way it makes the info available.

I would be very interested in the addition of NAC minimizing the desensitization. What dosage of NAC do you use, Redwood1?

Originally Posted by Bullseye Forever

Yea and the ones I’ve seen won’t even order a blood test of estradiol,all of them say that test won’t turn into estrogen in some males I mean wtf?


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It is up to us on the front lines to wade through the mud and sort it out ourselves, amigo. That's why BOP is so important. As is not flaming others with different takes and opinions. It's all info. It's all valuable. I like to see all sides and make up my own mind.

Originally Posted by babybull34

That's what this board is for, brother, sharing experiences, approaches, and opinions. I appreciate you sharing yours.

As far as sharing studies, just copy and paste the address from your browser (the bar at the top that has Website.com....) that will let you share the info. Or select the infowith your mouse, right-click and select copy. Then come to the reply window and right-click and select paste. Either way it makes the info available.

I would be very interested in the addition of NAC minimizing the desensitization. What dosage of NAC do you use, Redwood1?

I'm running it how my bottle of NAC is recommending 1 600mg first thing morning and 1 600mg 1hr before lunch. I will see in the longer run if this is really helping that, I've only been on HCG 8 months now. And yes I agree with everything your saying honestly, just for me I'm seeing benefits right now not saying later down the road I'm 100% positive I'll be seeing them. Hopefully I will but it's a waiting game on that. Also I do 500iu HCG 2 times a week with my TRT injection. I know other people who didn't have the same results I am so I thought hit and miss really.