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Originally Posted by
IRISHOAK
Who the FUCK told you to take all that shit? You feel like shit because your taking a bunch of shit drugs and your natural test is shut down. Omfg Im too pissed at the moment to begin typing a helpful response.
PCT drugs? I thought we were done with this shit.
Ok, for starters... explain in your own words why you are taking 40 fucking mg of Nolvadex a day?... or at all? Why are you ALSO taking arimidex at 1mg DAILY???
Congrats, you now have NO test or estrogen. Go slap the fuck out of whomever told you to do this. Holy fuck.
I was going to say the same things. Listen to us my friend, that dose of AI is a one way ticket to sore joints, devilish depression and a pen is that is numb and wouldn’t get hard in a room with 20 strippers.
You are here so I’m good hands. But go tell that fuck he owes you and he fucked your up!
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I litterly got this information from the pct forum pains post says
Basic Post Cycle Therapy:
Clomid:
Day 1: 150mg
Day 2-11: 100mg daily
Day 12-21: 50mg daily
Clomid:
week 1: 150mg
week 2: 100
week 3: 50
week 4: 50
Tamoxifen:
Week 1 (or 2): 40-50 mg daily.
Week 2 (or 3) through week 4 (or 5): 20-25mg daily.
Heavy
Tamoxifen\Clomid Combo:
Week 1: 150 clomid\60 nolva
Week 2: 100 clomid\40 nolva
Week 3: 50 clomid\20 nolva
Week 4: 50 clomid\20 nolva
Or moderate
Week 1: 100 clomid\60 nolva
Week 2: 50 clomid\40 nolva
Week 3: 50 clomid\20 nolva
Week 4: 50 clomid\20 nolva
Simple
Clomiphene @ 75/50/50/50
Tamoxifen @ 40/20/20/20
Also another post
The suggested protocol
Please keep in mind that this may not be suited for cycles that exceed 18-24 weeks.
HcG- 1,500iu per week for weekk one and two. Split into three, 500iu doses MWF
Aromasin- 25mg/day (week 1+2), 12.5mg/day(weeks 3,4,5)
Nolvadex- 40mg/day (week 1+2+3) 20mg/day (week 4+5++)
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Originally Posted by
F33ltheburn
Great post. I don’t see where it say take 1mg adex every day? Am I missing it, can you highlight it for me?
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Originally Posted by
*XXL
Great post. I don’t see where it say take 1mg adex every day? Am I missing it, can you highlight it for me?
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should I do .25 or just stop for a little while
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Should I stop the Aden or just continue with .25
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Originally Posted by
F33ltheburn
I understand you followed this (part of it, the arimidex?). I personally disagree with these types of pcts. They were very big in the past. What we know know vs 5-6 years ago, or 10 esp... is huge.
The cookie-cutter pct protocols are a a gamble. First off, you dont NEED to do anything when you come off, just come off, your body will stabilize on its own. Adding a bunch of other endocrine altering drugs is only giving your body more shit to deal with.
When I started getting into gear in the early 90s we didnt do any of this shit. Ive literally never done "pct".
Assuming that the same pct is appropriate for both:
1. Seasoned pro using 3-4000mgs of gear
And
2. Some guy who just did 8 weeks on 400 test only... is a bad assumption.
The esters, doses & hormones used are going to determine the doses & duration of pct drugs "necessary".
There are guys who do these and swear by them, but most of those guys have never tried just coming off either. Imo people should try coming off clean and wait a few weeks. THEN if you still have issues you can get blood work and actually understand what needs to be done and therefore what to take & how much for how long.
I would imagine that if you had spoken to PAiN personally and told him your gear history and said "should I use your pct protocol and also take 1mg of arimidex a day?" He would have probably said "no".
My advice is just stop taking all drugs, do some liver & organ detox and make sure you are hydrated & taking all necc vitamins.
If your over 35, just trt on your own and never come off.
"Going that one more round, when you don't think you can, is what makes all the difference in your life."
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Originally Posted by
IRISHOAK
I understand you followed this (part of it, the arimidex?). I personally disagree with these types of pcts. They were very big in the past. What we know know vs 5-6 years ago, or 10 esp... is huge.
The cookie-cutter pct protocols are a a gamble. First off, you dont NEED to do anything when you come off, just come off, your body will stabilize on its own. Adding a bunch of other endocrine altering drugs is only giving your body more shit to deal with.
When I started getting into gear in the early 90s we didnt do any of this shit. Ive literally never done "pct".
Assuming that the same pct is appropriate for both:
1. Seasoned pro using 3-4000mgs of gear
And
2. Some guy who just did 8 weeks on 400 test only... is a bad assumption.
The esters, doses & hormones used are going to determine the doses & duration of pct drugs "necessary".
There are guys who do these and swear by them, but most of those guys have never tried just coming off either. Imo people should try coming off clean and wait a few weeks. THEN if you still have issues you can get blood work and actually understand what needs to be done and therefore what to take & how much for how long.
I would imagine that if you had spoken to PAiN personally and told him your gear history and said "should I use your pct protocol and also take 1mg of arimidex a day?" He would have probably said "no".
My advice is just stop taking all drugs, do some liver & organ detox and make sure you are hydrated & taking all necc vitamins.
If your over 35, just trt on your own and never come off.
i may have to give this a shot, getting ready to come off and I’ve always felt like shit even on super mild pct. last one I cut short because I figured I’m young enough my body will go back to normal without these drugs. I’ll probably come off then In 4 weeks and get some bloods to see the results. I know that advice wasn’t for me but I appreciate it lol
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IrishOak said it best... Also extra vitamin b will help... definitely NOT a cure, but will help with the mood. Depending on your age, you will be fine...eventually, but over 35 just stick with TRT dose and make sure to GET YOUR LABS DONE. Good luck and hang in there, it will suck for awhile.
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No hcg? Man, I don't think it's even pct without hcg. You have to get the pituitary gland to tell your balls to come back on.
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