Thread: When do you bounce back????

Originally Posted by F33ltheburn

I litterly got this information from the pct forum pains post says




Basic Post Cycle Therapy:


Clomid:
Day 1: 150mg
Day 2-11: 100mg daily
Day 12-21: 50mg daily




Clomid:
week 1: 150mg
week 2: 100
week 3: 50
week 4: 50




Tamoxifen:
Week 1 (or 2): 40-50 mg daily.
Week 2 (or 3) through week 4 (or 5): 20-25mg daily.




Heavy
Tamoxifen\Clomid Combo:
Week 1: 150 clomid\60 nolva
Week 2: 100 clomid\40 nolva
Week 3: 50 clomid\20 nolva
Week 4: 50 clomid\20 nolva


Or moderate






Week 1: 100 clomid\60 nolva
Week 2: 50 clomid\40 nolva
Week 3: 50 clomid\20 nolva
Week 4: 50 clomid\20 nolva




Simple
Clomiphene @ 75/50/50/50
Tamoxifen @ 40/20/20/20






Also another post


The suggested protocol
Please keep in mind that this may not be suited for cycles that exceed 18-24 weeks.


HcG- 1,500iu per week for weekk one and two. Split into three, 500iu doses MWF
Aromasin- 25mg/day (week 1+2), 12.5mg/day(weeks 3,4,5)
Nolvadex- 40mg/day (week 1+2+3) 20mg/day (week 4+5++)

I understand you followed this (part of it, the arimidex?). I personally disagree with these types of pcts. They were very big in the past. What we know know vs 5-6 years ago, or 10 esp... is huge.

The cookie-cutter pct protocols are a a gamble. First off, you dont NEED to do anything when you come off, just come off, your body will stabilize on its own. Adding a bunch of other endocrine altering drugs is only giving your body more shit to deal with.

When I started getting into gear in the early 90s we didnt do any of this shit. Ive literally never done "pct".

Assuming that the same pct is appropriate for both:
1. Seasoned pro using 3-4000mgs of gear
And
2. Some guy who just did 8 weeks on 400 test only... is a bad assumption.

The esters, doses & hormones used are going to determine the doses & duration of pct drugs "necessary".

There are guys who do these and swear by them, but most of those guys have never tried just coming off either. Imo people should try coming off clean and wait a few weeks. THEN if you still have issues you can get blood work and actually understand what needs to be done and therefore what to take & how much for how long.

I would imagine that if you had spoken to PAiN personally and told him your gear history and said "should I use your pct protocol and also take 1mg of arimidex a day?" He would have probably said "no".


My advice is just stop taking all drugs, do some liver & organ detox and make sure you are hydrated & taking all necc vitamins.

If your over 35, just trt on your own and never come off.