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Originally Posted by
*XXL
Great post. I don’t see where it say take 1mg adex every day? Am I missing it, can you highlight it for me?
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should I do .25 or just stop for a little while
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Should I stop the Aden or just continue with .25
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Originally Posted by
F33ltheburn
I understand you followed this (part of it, the arimidex?). I personally disagree with these types of pcts. They were very big in the past. What we know know vs 5-6 years ago, or 10 esp... is huge.
The cookie-cutter pct protocols are a a gamble. First off, you dont NEED to do anything when you come off, just come off, your body will stabilize on its own. Adding a bunch of other endocrine altering drugs is only giving your body more shit to deal with.
When I started getting into gear in the early 90s we didnt do any of this shit. Ive literally never done "pct".
Assuming that the same pct is appropriate for both:
1. Seasoned pro using 3-4000mgs of gear
And
2. Some guy who just did 8 weeks on 400 test only... is a bad assumption.
The esters, doses & hormones used are going to determine the doses & duration of pct drugs "necessary".
There are guys who do these and swear by them, but most of those guys have never tried just coming off either. Imo people should try coming off clean and wait a few weeks. THEN if you still have issues you can get blood work and actually understand what needs to be done and therefore what to take & how much for how long.
I would imagine that if you had spoken to PAiN personally and told him your gear history and said "should I use your pct protocol and also take 1mg of arimidex a day?" He would have probably said "no".
My advice is just stop taking all drugs, do some liver & organ detox and make sure you are hydrated & taking all necc vitamins.
If your over 35, just trt on your own and never come off.
"Going that one more round, when you don't think you can, is what makes all the difference in your life."
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IrishOak said it best... Also extra vitamin b will help... definitely NOT a cure, but will help with the mood. Depending on your age, you will be fine...eventually, but over 35 just stick with TRT dose and make sure to GET YOUR LABS DONE. Good luck and hang in there, it will suck for awhile.
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Originally Posted by
F33ltheburn
I was doing 300 tren and 500 test, no I’m not on hcg no more I did it the same time I pinned.
my man that doesn't mean you don't need hcg post if you do it during. Not trolling or sounding like a know it all. Listen to Oak and X. I know Oak got frustrated. He'll chime in soon hopefully. Bro it didn't mention 1mg of Adex though? Be safe bro. Hope it gets better. I would get bloods drawn. But since your e2 probably tanked. What I've done in the past. Ive done something kinda similar.
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Originally Posted by
Damnwideback90
my man that doesn't mean you don't need hcg post if you do it during. Not trolling or sounding like a know it all. Listen to Oak and X. I know Oak got frustrated. He'll chime in soon hopefully. Bro it didn't mention 1mg of Adex though? Be safe bro. Hope it gets better. I would get bloods drawn. But since your e2 probably tanked. What I've done in the past. Ive done something kinda similar.
He'll be ok.
I cant tell you how many guys come to me privately with crashed estro because they're using (overdosing) adex &/or Nolva.
Just an FYI in general, if you find a protocol for anything in BBing thats 10 years old.... ask around and DO YOUR RESEARCH on everything involved so you UNDERSTAND what you're doing and not just following what may have worked for someone else.
Im not upset with the OP... I just hate adex & nolva. They are blunt instruments and have terrible side effects that are like time bombs. The main one being loss of bone density. Everyone is shit scared of some fat behind they're nipples and they research the hell out of AAS sides... Then never bother to research the ancillaries!!!!
If you dont know how it works... dont use it. If you aren't interested in understanding what we do, you should do something else.
"Going that one more round, when you don't think you can, is what makes all the difference in your life."
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Originally Posted by
IRISHOAK
I understand you followed this (part of it, the arimidex?). I personally disagree with these types of pcts. They were very big in the past. What we know know vs 5-6 years ago, or 10 esp... is huge.
The cookie-cutter pct protocols are a a gamble. First off, you dont NEED to do anything when you come off, just come off, your body will stabilize on its own. Adding a bunch of other endocrine altering drugs is only giving your body more shit to deal with.
When I started getting into gear in the early 90s we didnt do any of this shit. Ive literally never done "pct".
Assuming that the same pct is appropriate for both:
1. Seasoned pro using 3-4000mgs of gear
And
2. Some guy who just did 8 weeks on 400 test only... is a bad assumption.
The esters, doses & hormones used are going to determine the doses & duration of pct drugs "necessary".
There are guys who do these and swear by them, but most of those guys have never tried just coming off either. Imo people should try coming off clean and wait a few weeks. THEN if you still have issues you can get blood work and actually understand what needs to be done and therefore what to take & how much for how long.
I would imagine that if you had spoken to PAiN personally and told him your gear history and said "should I use your pct protocol and also take 1mg of arimidex a day?" He would have probably said "no".
My advice is just stop taking all drugs, do some liver & organ detox and make sure you are hydrated & taking all necc vitamins.
If your over 35, just trt on your own and never come off.
i may have to give this a shot, getting ready to come off and I’ve always felt like shit even on super mild pct. last one I cut short because I figured I’m young enough my body will go back to normal without these drugs. I’ll probably come off then In 4 weeks and get some bloods to see the results. I know that advice wasn’t for me but I appreciate it lol
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Originally Posted by
IRISHOAK
He'll be ok.
I cant tell you how many guys come to me privately with crashed estro because they're using (overdosing) adex &/or Nolva.
Just an FYI in general, if you find a protocol for anything in BBing thats 10 years old.... ask around and DO YOUR RESEARCH on everything involved so you UNDERSTAND what you're doing and not just following what may have worked for someone else.
Im not upset with the OP... I just hate adex & nolva. They are blunt instruments and have terrible side effects that are like time bombs. The main one being loss of bone density. Everyone is shit scared of some fat behind they're nipples and they research the hell out of AAS sides... Then never bother to research the ancillaries!!!!
If you dont know how it works... dont use it. If you aren't interested in understanding what we do, you should do something else.
I understand. I apologize if i mis informed. Ive had to use hcg before. Thats my case. I shouldve stated that. Thats on me.
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Originally Posted by
Damnwideback90
I understand. I apologize if i mis informed. Ive had to use hcg before. Thats my case. I shouldve stated that. Thats on me.
Hcg is fine (but you can over-do that as well) All Im saying is no matter who tells you what, do your own research on everything.
"Going that one more round, when you don't think you can, is what makes all the difference in your life."
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No hcg? Man, I don't think it's even pct without hcg. You have to get the pituitary gland to tell your balls to come back on.
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