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      Quote Originally Posted by Tigar View Post
      The claim was made about 3 years ago , I remember his personal details including the name of a tiling business being posted up .
      the part that now after reading all these reports is “ the scam “he was running involved pretending he had cancer and a whole bunch of other sorry stories .
      but this sounds unlikely now that we see these charges .
      perhps someone was using his name at th time of his initial bust ?
      maybe police were using his accounts ?

      the same forum that posted these accusations is now closed as well by the way .

      all this makes me wonder ........ WHAT TH FUCK IS GOING ON?
      That happens to be easy to answer especially now that you have written it up like that. But I am not going to post the exact answer. Instead I will give you another way of looking at this. A forum is owned and run by someone, therefore it is safe to conclude that the forum did it with the owners consent. The next step is to ask yourself what possible motives might there be for a person to put up that information. Since there are possible motives, the next step is to ask what reason you have to believe what the forum said in the first place. Is there any evidence? None that is credible.

      Every bit of information you come across, you must be sceptical about and you have to develop your reasoning and analytical skills. You have to do this yourself because it is very difficult to find any discussion of it anywhere. And if you do find it, you won't know if they are telling the truth. This is all done deliberately. National leaders have for over a century been manipulating the public. It goes back to the British during World War One and their attempts to get the United States to enter the war on the side of the allies. The US population were overwhelmingly (up to 90%) against going to war. President Wilson won the 1916 election on November 7th 1916 on an anti-war platform. But the US entered the war on April 7th 1917 with strong support from the population. How is that possible?

      I am not gonna say it. I will give you a hint. The media. Ever since then that method has been used by democratic countries to control what the population thinks. After all if I can convince you to risk your life for no gain whatsoever, then there is virtually nothing you can't be tricked into believing and then doing. One more hint. If you read Mein Kampf Hitler mentions it in there.

      The point of all this is that national leaders have wanted to influence what we believe for many reasons. Another way they do it is through the education system. It is deliberately dumbed down. Again I am not going to spell it out. But I will give you a source. In 1975 the US Government released a report called The Crisis of Democracy by the Trilateral Commission. If you read right through it the answer is in there. The US Government tried to recall and pulp the report when it first got published. They failed, but they then promoted the authors to senior positions in the US Administration.

      So putting up information about Ozpharma and getting people to believe it is very very straightforward.

      I will leave you with something Goring said in an interview at Nuremberg on 18th April 1946

      Goring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
      Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
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      Quote Originally Posted by smash View Post
      That happens to be easy to answer especially now that you have written it up like that. But I am not going to post the exact answer. Instead I will give you another way of looking at this. A forum is owned and run by someone, therefore it is safe to conclude that the forum did it with the owners consent. The next step is to ask yourself what possible motives might there be for a person to put up that information. Since there are possible motives, the next step is to ask what reason you have to believe what the forum said in the first place. Is there any evidence? None that is credible.

      Every bit of information you come across, you must be sceptical about and you have to develop your reasoning and analytical skills. You have to do this yourself because it is very difficult to find any discussion of it anywhere. And if you do find it, you won't know if they are telling the truth. This is all done deliberately. National leaders have for over a century been manipulating the public. It goes back to the British during World War One and their attempts to get the United States to enter the war on the side of the allies. The US population were overwhelmingly (up to 90%) against going to war. President Wilson one the 1916 election on November 7th 1916 on an anti-war platform. But the US entered the war on April 7th with strong support from the population. How is that possible?

      I am not gonna say it. I will give you a hint. The media. Ever since then that method has been used by democratic countries to control what the population thinks. After all if I can convince you to risk your life for no gain whatsoever, then there is virtually nothing you can't be tricked into believing and then doing. One more hint. If you read Mein Kampf Hitler mentions it in there.

      The point of all this is that national leaders have wanted to influence what we believe for many reasons. Another way they do it is through the education system. It is deliberately dumbed down. Again I am not going to spell it out. But I will give you a source. In 1975 the US Government released a report called The Crisis of Democracy by the Trilateral Commission. If you read right through it the answer is in there. The US Government tried to recall and pulp the report when it first got published. They failed, but they then promoted the authors to senior positions in the US Administration.

      I will leave you with something Goring said in an interview at Nuremberg on 18th April 1946

      Goring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
      Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
      man ...... we could talk for hours.
      its not often I find someone interested in this kind of stuff

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      Quote Originally Posted by IronFox View Post
      That same view also is common in the USA too as courts also take a dim view of persons committing a crime while on bail for another crime. LE here in USA also take a strong stand on steroids too, and it seems to be rather bad thing as drugs like heroin and cocaine are inherently far more dangerous than gear.
      Yes no doubt. Generally the US has prison sentences for minor offenses that would not attract a custodial sentence at all here. Sentences in America are longer and parole is stricter. There are reasons for those that don't know you can do some research. The US has less than 5% of the worlds population and 25% of the worlds prisoners.

      Australia has an incredible amount of rules and regulations that apply to individual conduct. We have all talked about our ridiculous customs. They aren't called that anymore. It is Border Force and they are a paramilitary unit.

      Another difference, the United States persists with the death sentence. The last man given the death sentence here was Ronald Ryan, who was hanged in 1967. There were question marks surrounding his guilt as well.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tigar View Post
      man ...... we could talk for hours.
      its not often I find someone interested in this kind of stuff
      You can pm me if you like and I can send some sources. But I can't really talk this through though with you. You are going to have to do a lot of reading. Discussion should have been done at school, and it isn't done for many reasons including the governments desire to promote people that CONFORM and OBEY. But for the sake of brevity, what has happened is that we are increasingly told or taught what to think rather than how to think. There is a contradiction in the physical sciences as they are different because corporations require technology and as a result staff that can think about how and why.

      There is an increasing focus on vocational education. That is all well and good, but it doesn't put you in a position to understand how the world works. Even people trained in finance/accounting/law etc are not undergoing intellectual pursuits. They just learn a system of rules, procedures etc. It's fine to be a good butcher or baker or whatever, and it doesn't necessarily mean that those people in any of those occupations I just listed aren't intellectual or don't understand the world, but that is not what they are trained for.

      Ever notice a lot of people at school did not want to do any study? They complain about stupid assignments etc and say they aren't going to do it. They get called drop outs etc and end up in trouble Simplified, they are rebelling against the content and the systems attempt to get them to conform and obey. Actually, it isn't very different at university. The people that succeed most are those that learn to regurgitate. I just did it to get to the next step. I could tell the other students were blinded by the state-corporate illusion and deception but they could eloquently reproduce what was needed. They all go on to get good jobs in the public service or for corporations. As for me I could never get a job except self-employment or perhaps a narrow selections of positions where it doesn't matter that I have my own ideas. I can't conform and I can't obey. Furthermore, my ideas are not congruent with the masters of mankind.

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      Quote Originally Posted by smash View Post
      You can pm me if you like and I can send some sources. But I can't really talk this through though with you. You are going to have to do a lot of reading. Discussion should have been done at school, and it isn't done for many reasons including the governments desire to promote people that CONFORM and OBEY. But for the sake of brevity, what has happened is that we are increasingly told or taught what to think rather than how to think. There is a contradiction in the physical sciences as they are different because corporations require technology and as a result staff that can think about how and why.

      There is an increasing focus on vocational education. That is all well and good, but it doesn't put you in a position to understand how the world works. Even people trained in finance/accounting/law etc are not undergoing intellectual pursuits. They just learn a system of rules, procedures etc. It's fine to be a good butcher or baker or whatever, and it doesn't necessarily mean that those people in any of those occupations I just listed aren't intellectual or don't understand the world, but that is not what they are trained for.

      Ever notice a lot of people at school did not want to do any study? They complain about stupid assignments etc and say they aren't going to do it. They get called drop outs etc and end up in trouble Simplified, they are rebelling against the content and the systems attempt to get them to conform and obey. Actually, it isn't very different at university. The people that succeed most are those that learn to regurgitate. I just did it to get to the next step. I could tell the other students were blinded by the state-corporate illusion and deception but they could eloquently reproduce what was needed. They all go on to get good jobs in the public service or for corporations. As for me I could never get a job except self-employment or perhaps a narrow selections of positions where it doesn't matter that I have my own ideas. I can't conform and I can't obey. Furthermore, my ideas are not congruent with the masters of mankind.
      this is how I’ve felt all my life .
      i was certain I’d end up in a trade , yet why was I made to look stupid because I didn’t believe in what they taught me .
      i was classed as argumentative as disruptive to the classroom.
      but I’m very aware of the system we live in . The geo politics , the media , even th so called free information on the internet ,( it feeds you information based on your search history ,giving you what you think is truth but in fact it’s been twisted , worse type of lie ) I’m really interested in the history of global economics and it’s control .
      i reckon you’d enjoy some reading on that subject .

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      By the way have you porpoisly changed th subject ?
      maybe you haven’t but in case you have I’ll just wink at ya.

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      Lol no not on purpose. Economics is central. Eg) The shift from Keynsianism to Neoliberalism.

      From Keynes p 383 of The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money (1936) : "The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed, the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slave of some defunct economist."

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