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      thanks for testing cant wait to get my results back too!

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      Hey man that’s a great score for just a few days! Nice to know that levels rise so soon. Anxious to see how much higher yours will go as you continue on. Thanks again for taking the time to post bloods as it helps us all. Sagua has a great product here and a good dude.

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      Thank you kindly for the responses. Will post the results when get home tonight. I find it weird that my home pc has a problem only connecting to this site, but I can get on this site anywhere else no prob, so I am hoping it will cooperate tonight so I can post labs. When I have tried to get on at home, it allowed me in only for brief moments. As mentioned earlier, still have plenty of funds on health card to do more testing. So yes, I currently switched to MK-677 at a dose of 15mg everyday, doing this for 3 weeks then will have bloods done. Then I will go off the MK677 and go back on the ST at 4iu a morning (5 on 2 off) for 3 weeks and have blood done again, this time properly ( I read 2 weeks should be fine, but will get it 3 weeks). I have been a scientist/artist all my life, so that's why I like to do these tests for comparisons, always curious. Like poster mentioned on page before "why not give 6iu a try!" I would love to, but can only stick with 4iu as share the other 2iu with the spouse, gotta keep the costs low as moved into a new house recently in a town I love with many parks, lakes, rivers & a huge waterpark I go swimming in all summer (great pools, used to life guard there when younger). Had to get away from the old town as it was dragging me down with no fun nature stuff to do. Seems to be about a 95 point increase per each 1iu. But I am sure if I stay on it longer it will rise even more, esp since I had a whole 24 hours off the stuff before taking that single 4iu shot.

      I am looking into alternating 1 month of ST at 4iu a day (5on 2off) with a month of MK677 at 15mg, in order to save funds.

      Here are the results of the research I did so far:

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      self:
      227 igf1---->380 igf1 (4iu ST pharm grade) = 153 point jump

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      Alpha6164's (medical doctor's best friend):
      167 igf1---->272 igf1 (100mcg grf(1-29) + 100mcg ghrp2 x 3 times a day) = 105 point increase

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      Fitraver:
      224 igf1---->359 igf1 (12.5mg mk677) = increase of 135 points *
      MrSaturatedfat:
      232 igf1---->312 igf1 (25mg mk677) = increase of 80 points**
      thebigone:
      150 igf1---->242 igf1 (20mg mk677) = increase of 92 points***
      machine5150:
      141 igf1-----217 igf1 (20mg mk677) = increase of 76 points****
      Sayitaintsoap:
      unknown igf1---->376 igf1 (25mg mk677) = unknown increase*****

      *See Fitraver post "bloods on 12.5mg mk677"
      **See Mrsaturatedfat post "37 days on mk677"
      ***See thebigone post "Humatrope,MK677 and other GH labs for you guys"
      ****See machine5150 post "MK677 Before and After Blood Work w/ IGF Levels Raised 53.9%"
      *****See sayitaintsoap post "THT's MK-677 review and blood work"

      **Notice the similar point jumps between peptides and mk677, either one seems to reach a max of around 100 igf-1 points.

      Best article on MK677 I have read with charts and graphs from most of the studies: The Beauty of Modern Science: Ibutamoren (MK-677) - Mind And Muscle I have read of one person (Fitraver) who posted bloodwork with a 100 point IGF-1 increase with using just 10mg of MK677. I am just curious if I can get the same reading with 15mg after several weeks. Mr Saturated fat when from 232 igf1 to 312 igf1 on 25mg, thebigone went from 150 to 242 igf1 on 20mg and machine5150 went from 141 to 217 igf1 on 20mg. Sayitaintsoap went to 376 igf1 from an unknown baseline.

      Cybersage:
      Yes, Fitraver saw an over 100 point increase while running it at 12.5mg (half dose).
      Sandpig: (9/6/2017)
      Drop down to 12.5 . Eventually the lethargy and other issues will slowly fade. Once they do, you can bump it up again. Took me two months at 12.5 before I could go to 25.
      Elvia1023: (19,000 posts)
      Quote:Everyone responds differently but 25mg is far too much for you. Others are fine at that dose but most aren't. I would recommend 10-12.5mg and with that the side effects will be minimized but the results still there. You won't be as full and pumped but you will feel multiple times better. 10-12.5mg is great for muscle fullness, pumps, recovery, size and strength. I am fine at 10mg but once I get to 15mg and over I can barely function and the fatigue is unbearable.
      If I can get a good reading off several weeks of MK-677, I think I will then alternate it monthly with the ST in order to save funds, but always keep the spouse on the 2iu (5on 2 off). So I will report back in the future with the additional bloodwork I am doing.
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      I will be done with my long shift tonight, so when I get home will post labs. I will be back again in several weeks to post the results of bloodwork from my several week MK677 run. So far the MK677 is working out fine for me at 15mg, function fine on it, take it 1st thing in the morning, and sleeping very well at night, blood pressure normal. It's possible I will go up to 20mg and stay there. I use a 1mg scale to weigh out the powder into caps as taste is terrible. If the bloods from the mk677 come back good (around 100 point increase) then I plan to alternate the GH with the MK677 monthly to save money, while spouse saids she wants to stay on the 2iu of ST GH 5 on 2 off indefinately, and that is fine, as at 2iu, will last her several months.

      Also found this: see thread "GH mk677 combo" at Professional Muscle with comments from Mike Arnold.

      Mike Arnold:
      I think it's a great combo, especially when trying to build muscle tissue. People do it all the time with great results, so it speaks for itself. It saves the person money, stops IGF-1 induced negative feedback from shutting down endogenous growth hormone production, ensures that the body has elevated levels of all the different GH isoforms, and provides a constant supply of GH throughout the day (compared to exo. GH, which only keeps GH blood levels elevated for roughly 8 hours).

      MK-677 also has its own unique set of benefits, such as appetite stimulation and greater increases in muscle fullness when compared to exo. GH on an iu to iu basis.


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      Quote Originally Posted by evawinter View Post
      self:
      227 igf1---->380 igf1 (4iu ST pharm grade) = 153 point jump

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      If I read and remember properly ( from a couple of days ago) the 153 point jump comes only from 3 days or so use of ST. Quite likely you will get a bigger jump after longer use .
      According to your post some guys seem to get very good results with MK677 - good thread, thanks for sharing.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sqwuidd View Post
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      sqwuidd you still have tough time sleeping on the tren and with hgh? I dont still sweat but since I started hgh sleeping like a baby even on the tren which is pretty damn nice right now

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      Jnab said:
      If I read and remember properly ( from a couple of days ago) the 153 point jump comes only from 3 days or so use of ST. Quite likely you will get a bigger jump after longer use .According to your post some guys seem to get very good results with MK677 - good thread, thanks for sharing.
      Thanks Jnab, yes, I intend to in the future stay on the 4iu of ST for at least a couple weeks, then get new bloods done to get a proper stable long-term igf-1 reading.

      1st lab is baseline igf-1 [227, high] (age 48, ref is 67 to 205 ng/mL)

      2nd lab is igf-1 [380, high] after being on 4iu of ST pharm grade for only 2 days (95 point increase per each 1iu)

      3rd lab (upcoming in 3 weeks) is igf-1 after being on 20mg of mk677** (by itself) for 3 weeks

      ** note: taking 20mg mk677 by itself in morning with 200mcg huperzine A + NOW brand EGCg caffeine free green tea extract--400mg (contains 200mg EGCg/80% catechins, using these to help keep somatostatin down).

      ** note: I have been taking the mk677 in the morning only and sleep very well at night (normal 8 hours plus), vivid dreams are often noticed (similar to GH). I get disrupted sleep (get less sleep) when I tried taking it before bed or even a few hours before bed, Keep in mind that the body needs some time to adjust to the compound I think as well. I had problems with lethargy in the past (when I tried mk677 months ago for a few days, then gave it up) since I was taking it at night and getting less sleep which I think led to tiredness during the day at work. My body does not react well to taking anything before bed. But when I take the MK677 in the morning, I get a good sense of well-being every day (my spouse even said I had been coming home every day after work in a good mood, and that she loved the change) and no lethargy issues thus far after a week. Everyone is different and you have to find what works for you. Mike Arnold also reported he gets no lethargy on it, so I guess everyone responds differently. Water retention does not seem to be too bad from the compound while being on a low carb targeted keto diet.

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      Those are decent numbers bro. That makes me feel a little better about Brady5rings test results with ST that I just saw.

      I guess Im gonna find out first hand how I respond. Never used GH so Im gonna get before and after test to see how I respond.

      Thx for the tests and info.

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