The preworkout thread

**Blackwolf** · 04-20-2017, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Elvia1023

Definitely take breaks plus don't use them everyday. If you are using a pre workout about 5 days per week I would say ideally after 1 month have 2 weeks off. You lose sensitivity fast. High doses of stimulants can also effect the adrenal cortex which is very important. Abuse of pre workouts could end up effecting stress hormones such as cortisol and even blood pressure. Definitely try and have 2 weeks off all caffeine every 1-2 months. So no coffee, tea, coke etc either. You will notice a massive difference in regards to response after a long break. Having shorter breaks will give you back sensitivity but you will lose it fairly quickly once you start the stimulants again. This is a reason why I recommend rotating between 2-3 products too. Perhaps a stronger stimulant for legs etc and more of a pump product for arms day as an example. Everyone is different but I personally thought nitraflex was crap. Although it gets really good reviews. I even tried their newer one called PMP and it felt just like nitraflex just slightly stronger. Both were a disappointment to me but again everyone is different.

just touched base with my coach he said the same thing I started cort rx an Australia cortisol blocker, I'm competing in 14 weeks so its bit iffy I'm going to take 3 weeks off, what I can't even have tea?? I've got R1 lean no stimulant fat burner, is that ok? Or completely lol

**Sqwuidd** · 04-20-2017, 12:09 PM

I am running the Epiq Stryke. It is pretty good , except it tastes bitter. I am trying to get off pre workout altogether. IDK just personal preference.

**Elvia1023** · 04-24-2017, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Blackwolf

just touched base with my coach he said the same thing I started cort rx an Australia cortisol blocker, I'm competing in 14 weeks so its bit iffy I'm going to take 3 weeks off, what I can't even have tea?? I've got R1 lean no stimulant fat burner, is that ok? Or completely lol

I would recommend getting your cortisol tested to see where it is. Cortisol is important and you don't want it too low. AAS can lower cortisol levels too. I also recommend vitamin c. There are quite a few things that help but don't take something unless you need it. Chances are levels will rise during prep but I would get tested if you can. Tea will be fine just don't overdo the stimulants for too long. If you are using stimulants (tabs/powders) taking a way things like tea/coffee will definitely help matters. The non stimulant fat burner will be fine.

**Elvia1023** · 04-24-2017, 10:45 PM

I tried Quake 10.0 again yesterday and again nothing outstanding. Granted I was rushing and took it on a fairly full stomach. Next time I will try it on a fairly empty stomach as that can make a big difference in regards to stimulants and pump ingredients.

Today I was in 2 minds whether or not to go the gym and decided last minute to go. I wanted more of a stimulant based product and not something to pump me up too much so I took 2 scoops of Hyphy Mud 2.0. I was literally flying

This stuff is like rocket fuel. The focus and energy is fantastic and it really helped push me through my high rep leg training as I was feeling tired before using. You know those days you leave the gym feeling made up you ended up going. It's definitely my favourite pre workout at the moment.

**Elvia1023** · 04-28-2017, 04:32 AM

It's been out ages but I finally tried 5% Nutrition's 5150 today. I planned to order it ages ago but then I kept hearing it's not as good as you think and not that strong etc. My mate gave me 1 scoop to try which I kept in a container and used before. Taste is not important to be but it tastes really nice. I think I had the pomegranate flavour but not 100% sure on that. But for a pre workout the taste is 10/10.

I had it on a fairly empty stomach so it hit me hard. Fuck it's not that strong I was flying. I called my sister back on the way to the gym and I was finding it hard to concentrate talking to her

I got to the gym and was thinkign this is too much. But once I started training and focused it was great. But this is 100% not for the sensitive user.

I trained back and finished with some fast arms and had a great workout. After face pulls I done pull ups purposely due to the pump. If my arms get too pumped I struggle with pull ups. After them my forearms were so pumped I was struggling to grip the bar for seated rows and close grip pulldowns. So in many ways this could work too good in regards to pumps.

After the gym I was full of energy but had no crash at all. I will definitely buy this to experiment more. So far I would say a 8.5-9/10.

**Too Small** · 05-03-2017, 07:51 PM

When I was training before my back injury, I had direct connections in with SAN Nutrition. I was taking Fierce Domination. It worked pretty well, but had a little too much caffein for me. I don't do well with high stims. Then, I got in directly with Nubreed Nutrition. I was introduced to Undisputed. I fell in love!!!! It had a low stim, but the mental focus was exactly what I needed. It also helped with adding in a few more reps. I also used Nubreed's Helix BCAA's...AMAZING!!!!

I had my own side supplement business I ran from my home. Due to my direct relationships, I was able to try all sorts of products from SAN, Nubreed, and Blackstone Labs. SAN and Nubreed was (and still are) superior products. Expensive compared to a lot, but the quality made it well worth it.

Nubreed Nutrition no longer makes Undisputed, but their replacement is a great product...Whiplash.

**Elvia1023** · 05-05-2017, 06:58 AM

The other day I tried Grenade's .50 Caliber Pre-Workout for the 2nd time. It's fireball flavour and some will love this whilst others will hate. I don't mind it and it's the first time I have ever had a hot/chilli flavoured preworkout. It's profile is good and includes 4g pure l-citrulline, 2g beta-alanine (as Carnosyn), 50mcg huperzine a plus a 4 stage energy profile including 400mg caffeine from 3 forms and 60mg P-Synephrine. The energy and pumps are great with this product and it delivers in all areas. I would probably give it an 8.5/10.

The rest of the week I have mainly been using Hyphy Mud 2.0. It's definitely my current favourite pre workout. I have been mixing it with 1 scoop of Dynamik's Gamma Ray. GR contains no stimulants and is just a pump product so the combination is amazing. I might even try HM 2.0 and 5% Nutrition's Full as Fuck as that is much better than Gamma Ray for pumps. I will be ordering both of those again so can experiment with dosages of each. Pretty much 1 scoop of FAF is all you need and add that to 1-2 scoops of HM 2.0 and you should have a winning combo.

Today I will be swopping over to 2 scoops of Universal's Shock Therapy.

**Elvia1023** · 05-29-2017, 02:08 AM

I should have updated this thread more. I have experimented a lot recently so I may miss a few things. I want to start with 2 disappointing products. Firstly is The Quake by Scivation. On paper to me this sounded great but it does not deliver for me at all. I would give 2 scoops a 7/10 at most. I never even tried 1 scoop as it would have been a waste for me. My friend doesn't mind it but doesn't rate it either. This get great reviews all over so some may love it.

Next is Shock Therapy by Universal Nutrition. I never expected this to me amazing but I am a fan of the company so tried it out. Again it's pretty ordinary in every sense and I would give it a 6.5-7/10.

I used Grenade 0.50 calibre devastation again and that is a good product. Nothing spectuclar but it out performs the above 2 by a long way. I would now give it about 8/10.

As the above mentioned I really like 5%'s 5150. I need to use it more to fully judge but both times I felt great from it.

I bought BSN's no xplode 3.0 and have used it a few times. Good product and well worth a try. It does stay with me awhile though. I used it the other night quite late on and was well awake at 5:30am

I need to use this a few days running to know more but so far I would say about 8/10.

I have rotated the above products in but I am pretty much using Hyphy Mud 2.0 every time I go to the gym. My tub is nearly gone and I will be buying more which is rare for me. It feels great to me. The ingredient list is well poor but it gets me so amped up. I feel like a machine on it. 1.5 scoops and I have the most amazing workouts. I could feel like complete crap and struggling with HGH fatigue barely able to move. I take hyphy mud 2.0 and I am excited to get to the gym and full of energy wanting to break PR's

It's fairly short lived so I can sleep after it too. So even when I take it later on I am ok getting to sleep but it is strong so many may be different. I would give it a 9.5/10.

**Elvia1023** · 06-04-2017, 07:54 PM

I took Redcon1's Total War last night for a change. As I have mentioned in the past it's a great product and gives you a bit of everything. But when you rotate these products you realize their differences. This stays with me much longer so I couldn't sleep and was still up at 6am

Everyone processes caffeine differently but definitely take this 7 hours+ before going to bed.

**Fancycat69** · 06-04-2017, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Elvia1023

I took Redcon1's Total War last night for a change. As I have mentioned in the past it's a great product and gives you a bit of everything. But when you rotate these products you realize their differences. This stays with me much longer so I couldn't sleep and was still up at 6am

Everyone processes caffeine differently but definitely take this 7 hours+ before going to bed.

Yeah that's why I workout in the morning now I can't sleep whenever I take stims for my afternoon workouts I just need to cut them out before 10 am no matter how weak they are