The preworkout thread

**Elvia1023** · 05-03-2018, 11:20 PM

I received my pre workouts. I decided to just get a trial of one as it was £60 to buy and after all the other stuff I had ordered I figured go easy. It's just capsules and is an energy product and get rated very highly. It's called Hydrazine and contains:

Hydrapharm Hydrazine 60 capsules

Serving size: 1 capsule
Servings per container: 60
Amount Per Serving %DV**

Hydrazine blend 700mg *
Bauhinia Purpurea Extract (leaf and pod), Cacao Extract (fruit), Caffeine Anhydrous, Cymbidium Goeringii Extract (whole plant), Kigelia Africana Extract (fruit).

The second product I have is more of the same but a powdered product and is called Excelsior by Imperial Nutrition. This wasn't cheap either at £44. The ingredient list is nothing special but it gest rated very highly and it's meant to be very strong so I figured why not

Imperial Nutrition Excelsior 30 Servings Fruit Cooler

Serving Size: 1 scoop (6g)
Servings Per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving %DV*

Propietary Blend 5.3g *
L-Citrulline
Trimethylglycine
Kigelia Africana Extract (fruit)
Caffeine Anhydrous
Bauhinia Purpurea
Bitter Orange Extract (fruit)
Octopamine
Hawthorne Extract (fruit)

* Daily Value Not Established
Other Ingredients: Malic acid, Sucralose, Citric Acid, Natural & Artificial flavours, Silica, FD&C Red #40.

Directions For Use
Take 1-2 scoops before working out.

I also ordered 5150 which I know is great.

5% Nutrition 5150 375g Passion Fruit

Serving Size:12.5g
Servings Per Container: 30 Servings
Amount Per Serving %DV**

Vitamin B3 (as niacin) 30 mg 150%

Vitamin B12 (as cyanocobalamin) 1,000 mcg 16667%

L-Citrulline 4,000 mg **

Beta Alanine (CarnoSyn) 2,500 mg **

L-Taurine 2,000 mg **

N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine 750 mg **
Choline Bitartrate 500 mg **

STIM-CRAZY CAFFEINE COMPLEX 470 mg **
Caffeine Anhydrous, Dicaffeine Malate, Caffeine (from Green Tea (Leaf)), Yerba Mate Extract (Leaf), Guarana Extract 22% (Seed), Green Coffee Bean Extract (seed) %

**Daily Values Not Established

Ingredients: Natural Flavours, Citric Acid, Sucralose, Silicone Dioxide & Red #40

**Elvia1023** · 05-03-2018, 11:23 PM

I had a 2 serving sample (2 caps) of hydrazine. It states one serving is 1 cap. When I read the reviews everyone was stating they took 1 cap and how strong it was. However I read a couple that had used 2 caps. The fact it is a proprietary blend made it hard to know how many to take. If I had a full tub I would have just took 1. Then I watch a review on you-tube and he says he needed 2 caps so I went with that as I didn't want to waste it and get the best effect without taking too much. They all state it takes approx 30 mins to kick in and it's very steady and long lasting and the word smooth is used a lot. The common theme in all the reviews is the intense focus the product brings.

I take 2 caps and walk to the gym and on the way it hits me much faster than stated in other reviews. This was the most intense focus I have felt in a very long time. It was crazy so I couldn't help but think wow I could be on to something here. I get to the gym and it's great then over time everything simply faded and that's it. I was very disappointed. It's still very good and I am sure many will love it but after such an intense start it was a big disappointment. Definitely not worth the high price especially if you only get 30 servings from the tub. Well people buy energy drinks for more so maybe it is but definitely a disappoinment for me as I expected more. I would still give 2 caps a 7.5-8/10.

Now onto the Excelsior. It states 1-2 scoops so I went with 2 scoops as I have used some strong products recently. So far this is incredible but I have only used it once. I was already so worked up for the gym I need to use it more to fully gauge it's effectiveness. But so far it's great and I had the most amazing training session. Although I did start feeling ill mid session but I don't know if thats due to the product or the simple fact I destroyed myself in the gym. I will know more once I use it a few more times. So far an easy 9/10.

**teej750** · 05-03-2018, 11:23 PM

Dang bro, what do you do with all these pre workouts you try? Lol. I bet you have a cupboard of expiring shit.

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**Elvia1023** · 08-19-2018, 02:29 AM

I have been meaning to update this thread for ages

I have forgotten a lot of the details I was going to post

I have used a lot of products since my last post. I will add more to this post over the next few days. I need to post a revised list as well. I recently bought Nutrabio's PRE, SAN's Fierce Domination and Dymatize's Pre w.o.

Nutrabio's PRE is a great product full of useful ingredients at effective doses. I need to use it a few more times but I am thinking 8.5/10. It's what I call a complete pre workout but it just misses that wow factor.
SAN's Fierce Domination is another good one. Nice energy and feel and good pumps. I use 2 scoops of that. I am thinking 8/10 but I also need to use that a few more times as I have only used it once in the last 3 weeks.

Dymatize's Pre w.o. I used awhile back and it felt ok. I used it again the other day and I felt awful from it. My gf even tried it and felt exactly the same. I will try it again but it's gonna be a low score even though on paper it looks good. I would probably say a 5/10 but I will try it again to access it better.

I have also just ordered 2 new products and should get them on Monday so I will post more on that next week. Has anyone tried any good new pre workouts recently?

**d-man** · 08-19-2018, 01:42 PM

I use this. No proprietary blend bullshit. Great ingredients and properly doses. I get a clean energy pump and focus every time with no crash or jitters ever.

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**BombdotCom** · 09-21-2018, 01:46 AM

This is what I use it's my favorite

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**Elvia1023** · 12-19-2018, 01:22 AM

I have been using Excelsior at 1 scoop or 1 scoop and about 1/6 and it's great. Somedays feel better than others though. I tend to get that crazy euphoria when I go closer to 1.5 scoops. I usually add 1/2-1 scoop of Full as Fuck as well for crazy pumps.

I used Nutrex Outlift Amped at 1.5 scoops and that is a solid pre workout and I always feel good on it.

One day I used 1 1/4 scoops of Kill it Reloaded and it didn't feel that good.

A short break from preworkouts over Christmas will do my mind/body good though.

I definitely feel like an alternative to Excelsior so I can rotate them. Instead of something brand new I would rather pick one I know will be great.
Looking back at everything I have used if I had to pick one right now to order again it would be Betancourt's D-Stunner Alpha or Hyphymud 2.0. I will probably pick up a tub of D-Stunner Alpha over the next few weeks. The original was banned but I never got to use that but heard it was amazing. I assume it was because the newer version (Alpha) is a great product.

**YourSteroidGuy** · 12-19-2018, 03:53 PM

Almost any fat burner that has a clean stim feeling will work for a preworkout. Black coffee sometimes isn't bad too.

Popeye* · 01-02-2019, 10:45 PM

My top 3 picks:
1. Do Vitamins Pure Pump
2. Legion Pulse
3. Optimum Nutrition Platinum Pre

Labdoor.com has some great info on products they actually lab test including pre workouts. Conveniently these are their top 3 picks I think.

Some top name brands would surprise you as far as safety and accuracy goes.

Pure pump is awesome though for me. Simple and additive free. Don’t buy it for taste though if that’s your thing or you will be heavily disappointed haha.

Popeye

**Elvia1023** · 01-09-2019, 02:54 AM

I have been doing a little reading on DMHA and it's various aliases. You basically have synthetic and natural forms. Some of the terms used on the labels include dimethylhexylamine, octodrine, 2-aminoisoheptane, juglans regia extract, kigelia africana and walnut bark extract (etc).

The reason I started reading up is I was interested in it's possible effects on blood glucose. Fact is when I use it pre workout I have been going hypo post workout if I don't eat straightaway. This is obviously without any insulin usage and even when using a reasonable amount (40-60g) of intra carbs. The fact I train very hard and for long periods is the biggest contributor to me feeling like this post wotkout. It's happened before but with the addition of DMHA it's happening everytime I don't eat straightaway post workout.

Diabetics obviously respond differently to none diabetics. Nevertheless I have found some interesting info. Most notably in studies Juglans regia extract at 200mg daily has been shown to significantly decrease FBG, HbA1c, total cholesterol and triglyceride levels. There is much more info and feel free to check out for yourselves but I figured I would highlight it.