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    Thread: TRT, any long time users here? How long have you been on?

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      TRT, any long time users here? How long have you been on?

      I was on for 3 years.. I have tried living with out TRT for the last year and its just too damn hard.. So Im going back on..
      Im just wondering if there are any long term users in this forum? If so, how long have you been on for? and from what age?

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      I'd like to hear from some long term users, too. I've been on TRT since January and it's helped quite a bit already.

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      I've been running TRT the past year for the first time and I'm 41. Decided to try it to try and hold the gains more between cycles but will be doing PCT after this cycle of 10 weeks. I'm typically natty around 7-800 test from labs run and while on TRT of 125mg test E e4d I was testing out at around 950 or so.
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      Yeah, been on for over 3 years since the ripe old age of 25. That's how poorly I managed all the gear I took when I was younger, the doctor said it would be literally 6 years or so before I recovered and I probably never would. He was cool as hell though and gave me a decent HRT dose of 300mg a week.

      I have a hard time not blowing through the vial quickly though unfortunately, I have to supplement with orders from the good sponsors here. I'm officially fucked right now until I can get it refilled or get my paycheck and make an order, whichever comes first. Any test donations welcome XD lol

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      Quote Originally Posted by jack_ftype View Post
      Yeah, been on for over 3 years since the ripe old age of 25. That's how poorly I managed all the gear I took when I was younger, the doctor said it would be literally 6 years or so before I recovered and I probably never would. He was cool as hell though and gave me a decent HRT dose of 300mg a week.

      I have a hard time not blowing through the vial quickly though unfortunately, I have to supplement with orders from the good sponsors here. I'm officially fucked right now until I can get it refilled or get my paycheck and make an order, whichever comes first. Any test donations welcome XD lol
      Sorry to hear man, I think I did the same.. used deca wth out test and have struggled with lethargy ever since. Not sure if it was the deca but the issue with low energy seems to fit what I did with deca. I had a mate who did a cycle of god knows what and came off cold turkey. He told me he had depression for 4 years before he fully recovered. At least he eventually recovered. Would have been a miserable 4 years waiting it out though. I don't think he knew about pct.

      Re tRT, I cant help but wonder if the longer we stay on TRT the less the chances of ever coming off properly but then its bloody hard to live with out it..

      Not sure what the answer is..

      I don't want to have to rely on trt for the rest of my life so Im looking for an answer and MAY have found something worth trying.. There was a guy I read about a few years back who came off gear and didn't recover properly. He ended up on TRT with low t level. His answer was to work out a proper exit strategy with some doctors using pct gear.
      He tried it and it worked. He came off with no down time and his Test levels back to normal

      Im going to give it a try.. Im going back on trt.. Going to do a cycle or two, then will try his exit strategy.. If anyone else is interested, I'll try to find it. dig it up for you guys.
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      Found it... I'll post it anyway..

      ""As I have recently past my 2 year anniversary of HRT, I have spent some time reflecting on what I have accomplished with this program.
      After extensive research, I turned to HRT a possible solution to my declining test levels in 2009. At the time Istarted HRT, my test level was 579 ng/dl. Not low by most standards but about 30% off my normal levels of 900+ ng/dl that I had maintain for some 15 years.
      The symptoms of my declining test were as follows...
      1. Frequent overtraining. I had reached a point for the first time in my bodybuilding lifestyle where about every 3 months, I would find myself overtrained. In 20 years daily committed train, this had never happened before.
      2. Persistent and chronic minor illness. I had begun a steady process of developing repetitive colds and flu-like illnesses that were a function of #1 above.
      3. Loss of muscle mass. Because of #1 & especially #2 above, I had drop about nearly 10 pounds of quality muscle.
      4. Lack of metal focus. Again, I had never experienced this in my adult life in any capacity. Focus and will are the only things that I have ever possessed in abundance.

      In my 2 years on HRT, I can say that I have remedied all of the above symptoms. So, I would declare my HRT a smashing success.
      However, there is still one facet of my HRT that I have yet to assess my EXIT STRATEGY.
      Like everything business related Ive owned and been involved in, I always have an exit strategy in the event that it is ever needed.
      So, at this juncture, I am considering testing my HRT Exit Strategy to see if will indeed produce the results that I expect.
      I am considering this not as a means to quit HRT but to reassure myself that I have covered all my bases and can proceed forward on HRT for the indefinite future knowing that if there is ever an issue down the road, I have already operationalize and tested my exit strategy successfully.
      I started constructing my exit strategy based on some of my own previous research and personal experiences from my days using AAS to supplement by competitive bodybuilding. Also, Ive spent a tremendous amount of time and energy in the past 4 weeks discussing my exit strategy with several very knowledgeable physicians.
      So, here is the plan that we have constructed and I will follow


      Week HCG clomid Nolva letro
      1 M/W/F/Su 2000 1.25 M/Th
      2 T/Th/Sa 2000 1.25 M/Th
      3 M/W/F 2000 1.25 M/Th
      3 Sat/Sun 100 40 1.25 M/Th
      4 Every Day 100 40 1.25 M/Th
      5 100 40 1.25 M/Th
      6 100 40 1.25 M/Th
      7 40 1.25 M/Th
      8 40 1.25 M/Th
      9 1.25 M/Th
      10 1.25 M/Th

      I will take my last 100 mg shot of test cyp on the Monday one week before I start my exit. During the week before exiting, I will also have my blood work done for comparative purposes.
      My blood work will be done again on the Friday of the 3rd week towards the end of the HCG treatments, again when I discontinue the clomid treatments, and finally, two weeks after I complete the Nolva treatments.
      So, I hope to kick this exit strategy off on the Monday Dec 5th.
      I will chronicle the results here for those who are interested."

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      And his follow up.

      "I want to add a couple of comment to the original post in this thread....

      1) The exit worked exceptionally well for me. In short, once I executed the plan I was able to restore my natural hormone levels to pre-decline levels of about 900 ng/dl.

      2) From executing the plan, there is one minor change I'd recommend based on my expereience - increase the letro dosage to 1.25 mg EOD as opposed to M/Th. My estrogen elevated to over 40 during my HCG phase. While not terribly high, this did create some negative feedback and ultimately kept my natural test production lower. Blood works throughout the processes supported this idea and once I actually increase my letro my natural test did actually continue to increase.

      3) Because of #2, I extended my taper down of Letro to avoid any type of estrogen rebound. I actually add 4 additional weeks to my taper of letro at the end of the exit.

      My last blood profile, March 5th, looked great...my test was close to 900 ng/dl and all my related levels (LH, FSH, E) were all in a normal and acceptable range.

      I am now starting my 5th month since the completion of the exit protocol and I have a blood draw scheduled for July 6th at 7:30 am.

      So, I'll report some additional information next week"

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      Final follow up:

      "I've corresponded with a lot of folks about my 'Exit' over the past 6 months and I wanted to reinforce one very important fact again.

      Before I did my first steroid cycle at age 18 (yup, you read that correctly) my natural test levels were around 900 ng/dl.

      I did a number of cycles from the time I was 18 until I quit competing at age 23.

      After each cycle, which were never more than 12 weeks and never more than 900 mg a week total, I always follow an HCG, Clomid, Nolva PCT and had my test levels check via blood work. Without fail, I was always able to restore my natural test levels to +/- 900ng/dl using that formula.

      From the time I was 23 until the time I started HRT in the Fall of 2009 (almost 17 years), I never cycled. I trained and dieted just like I always had but there was no reason for me to cycle since I was not competing.

      In that time, my blood work consistently showed a natural test level of near 900 ng/dl.

      So, that was clearly my normal natural level.

      My point in stating this again is simple. It seems a lot of guys read my exit thread and think that if they follow what I did they too will get a 900 ng/dl natural test level.

      Let me say this clearly. If you never had natural test levels that high previously, you are not going to achieve them but using my exit protocol. It very well may take you back to your normal natural test levels but it will not make you something that you never were.

      So, if you are going to follow it as a "restart" which I know a lot of guys have done on the other site - your chances of success are pretty good that you'll get the HPTA up and functioning normally again. I know because I've had several guys from the other site do it and tell me it worked for them. One was even able to get his sperm count high enough to get his wife pregnant. Something the Drs told him he was not capable of doing.

      That is well and good, just don't expect to hit a 900 natural test level if you have never had one previously..."

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      This whole thing should be stickied. You should get with Pain and see what he thinks and if he thinks it should also be stickied.
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      some hectic stories on here and a example of what cycles can do to young people. it aint no joke!

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