Thread: Bloods after 6 weeks clomid use - high E2

Originally Posted by realdeal

Im not currently on TRT although i want to be. I'm 34 and my test level is 400ish and sex drive is super low when not cycling. I'm having my first kid in 6 months. Once i have another one in a year or so i will be on TRT for sure. I'm been learning/lirking in TRT section because i know my day will come. I know when the time comes i will need to be in the 200s to get my doc to prescribe me Test so i will go at the end of my cycle when i know my test levels are super low. I don't want to go at 0 or he will likely know. Also I will need to plan clomid use and hcg accordingly to show that i'm "shutdown"

Its up to you on Estrogen i would probably take a small amount of AI but if you're not getting sides then maybe let it go. Your numbers are a little different than mine here in the states.

If you're at 400 at 34 years old, you're a perfect candidate for trt. That's not a completely shit number but it's bad for a 34 year old man that I'm assuming is in pretty good shape. I can tell you from personal experience that trt is more than sex drive, although that helps, it's about being better in general. I was a better person after a month in, my wife and kids could tell the difference and so could I. Moodiness was down, my fuse wasn't so short, my mind got clearer and I felt good. Don't wait to do it. If you want another kid then just make sure your Dr. prescribes the right meds to keep your balls working. A lot of men have kids on trt.

Getting E2 too low is also a problem though, I need to check again, but while i've seen both Aromasin and Arimidex used as AI, arimidex comes up more often. Do you guys reckon Aromasin would be better in that case ?

I would change over to HCG and Proviron. Or just HCG and some Novaldex for couple of weeks to get your E2 down. Usually that will drop your prolactin levels too. Usually elevated estro will elevate your prolactin. HCG has a crazy does range as well. I know guys who take anywhere from 1500 to 5000 wk. HCG will definitely boost your test more than clomid. With a lot less sides.

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Originally Posted by jnab

Thanks Madhungarian, sure 900/1200 sounds better than 600. At 600 i can already feel it's easier to be aroused and it's supposed to be better to put on weight and strength (i put on a lot of mass though at test 400, not that much fat, since getting back to weightlifting, strength has been more frustrating)I 'd sure like to increase those levels. Again mattr2 was able to get his levels from 400 to almost 1200 with Clomid and HCG
Well noted about the aromasin, will check tomorrow how available it is around here ( Arimidex is available otc, aromasin likely is as well)

Almost every domestic sponsor on here offers both Aromasin and Arimidex. I'm currently taking some from a sponsor on here myself. Shoot me a pm and I'll give you some details on my experience. If you made gains with your levels at 400, then you'd be the Hulk with good numbers. You were working 10x harder than a guy with better numbers to make the same gains.

Originally Posted by jnab

Thanks again RealDeal, and good luck with two kids. that number sounds right indeed, we have 2, if I told my wife going into TRT would make having a third one harder, she'd probably push me to get in !
It seems that when one is cycling AAS it's fairly easy to play with the test numbers when going to the endo, doctors must feel suspicious when a jacked BBer shows up in their office claiming to be low test but than aas users seem to be most at risk of HPTA shutdown.

Still thinking of trying clomid + HCG + arimidex + possibly B6 for prolactin for 6 weeks or so, see how the body reacts.

Lol i wonder the same thing. Big dude walks in with little to no testosterone in the body. LMAO. Luckily my doctor has already asked if he can prescribe me testosterone so i can stop buying from his words the "blackmarket" He just said he needs my numbers in the 200. I came in one day at 330ng (can't remember the exact number) and 315 was the end of the low range. He was like man i almost could get away with prescribing you but your still in the normal range.

One of the main reasons for me to be on TRT is to be able to take my test with me on vacations and not have to worry about it customs

Let me know either way and what you think of injections vs TRT if you switch over

Originally Posted by jnab

Thanks Madhungarian, sure 900/1200 sounds better than 600. At 600 i can already feel it's easier to be aroused and it's supposed to be better to put on weight and strength (i put on a lot of mass though at test 400, not that much fat, since getting back to weightlifting, strength has been more frustrating)I 'd sure like to increase those levels. Again mattr2 was able to get his levels from 400 to almost 1200 with Clomid and HCG
Well noted about the aromasin, will check tomorrow how available it is around here ( Arimidex is available otc, aromasin likely is as well)

Do you're research on AI's Anastrazole is about the only AI that doesn't permanently shut down your bodies production possibly indefinitely. Meaning Aromasin could cause permanent damage.

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Many thanks guys, lot of good info.

PJ what do you reckon about the Nolvadex suppressing IGF1 more than clomid ? I read it's also used for TRT but the results seemed less convincing than clomid's. Already shot an email for HCG to a sponsor. I have nolva at home though, could switch to nolva easily, would definitely appreciate to drop Prolactin and E2 levels.
About proviron it's a mild steroid and rereading about it seems it is only very mildly suppressive and doesn't need necessarily need to be taken along testosterone. But from that to use it for TRT seem like a big step. do you have any experiecne about it ? Can one just stop the treatment and get back to its base levels without experiencing a shutdown ? i'll look this up btw, just a bit overwhelmed right now.

The thing to remember is clomid is a SERM.
If you are worried about the estrogen sides take an AI but that isn't that high. As long as you are on the clomid your estrogen receptors are holding the modulator and not the estrogen. So, yes your readings will be high but it won't matter because the estrogen cant take effect readily to cause issues like gyno etc..

Coming off you may want to take a couple doses of AI but it wont be necessary more than likely.

Originally Posted by PJ034

Do you're research on AI's Anastrazole is about the only AI that doesn't permanently shut down your bodies production possibly indefinitely. Meaning Aromasin could cause permanent damage.

thanks for the heads up, i wasn't sure why butit appears arimidex is usually prescribed during TRT rather than aromasin