Thread: Bloods after 6 weeks clomid use - high E2

Originally Posted by madhungarian

Almost every domestic sponsor on here offers both Aromasin and Arimidex. I'm currently taking some from a sponsor on here myself. Shoot me a pm and I'll give you some details on my experience. If you made gains with your levels at 400, then you'd be the Hulk with good numbers. You were working 10x harder than a guy with better numbers to make the same gains.

Hulk sounds good. A pinkish version maybe - I still look like a small dude compared to the pics of many posters here but yes i'm surprised i put on so much weight and imagine it would be much better with test around 1000.
About the sponsors, I live in China, life is a little complicated and it's surprisingly easier to order some chinese made products from the US than from within China but AI and PCT drugs are largely available OTC.

Originally Posted by jnab

Many thanks guys, lot of good info.

PJ what do you reckon about the Nolvadex suppressing IGF1 more than clomid ? I read it's also used for TRT but the results seemed less convincing than clomid's. Already shot an email for HCG to a sponsor. I have nolva at home though, could switch to nolva easily, would definitely appreciate to drop Prolactin and E2 levels.
About proviron it's a mild steroid and rereading about it seems it is only very mildly suppressive and doesn't need necessarily need to be taken along testosterone. But from that to use it for TRT seem like a big step. do you have any experiecne about it ? Can one just stop the treatment and get back to its base levels without experiencing a shutdown ? i'll look this up btw, just a bit overwhelmed right now.

You won't be taking Nolva long enough to worry about it. Anastrazole conversion to estro but does nothing to block estro that is already converted from attaching to receptors. Nolva blocks and removes the excess estrogen. Meaning the Nolva will bring down your E2 count and the Anast will stop it from going back up. It will also indirectly bring down your progesterone too. You shouldn't need Nolva longer than a week or two max.

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Originally Posted by jnab

thanks for the heads up, i wasn't sure why butit appears arimidex is usually prescribed during TRT rather than aromasin

This is only due to the fact that one has been around longer than the other.

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Originally Posted by PJ034

You won't be taking Nolva long enough to worry about it. Anastrazole conversion to estro but does nothing to block estro that is already converted from attaching to receptors. Nolva blocks and removes the excess estrogen. Meaning the Nolva will bring down your E2 count and the Anast will stop it from going back up. It will also indirectly bring down your progesterone too. You shouldn't need Nolva longer than a week or two max.

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Thanks again PJ, i wonder how long I would have needed to get that precise piece of information looking for info on the net.
i ordered Arimidex and HCG already, will likely try nolvadex for 1 or 2 weeks as you advice before jumping back to clomid. Will see how the next blood test comes up and reconsider than.
Started reading about HCG and proviron btw, noticed some people take that mix year round, will check further.

Originally Posted by jnab

Thanks again PJ, i wonder how long I would have needed to get that precise piece of information looking for info on the net.
i ordered Arimidex and HCG already, will likely try nolvadex for 1 or 2 weeks as you advice before jumping back to clomid. Will see how the next blood test comes up and reconsider than.
Started reading about HCG and proviron btw, noticed some people take that mix year round, will check further.

Why are you running the clomid? If you run Nolva without running an AI then you're just band aiding the problem. There won't be much use for clomid either if you're running HCG. Most people run clomid to kick start their natural test production after a cycle. HCG also does this but better with less sides, and it's used by non steroid users to boost their natural test as well.

Are you running anything else or did you just come off of a cycle. Refresh my memory of what you're doing, and what your goals are?

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I would add that when testing for estrogen levels use the Estrogen (Sensitive) test rather than other estrogen tests, as it is more precise.

Adding Proviron lessens SHBG and is an AI to a degree. So it increases free test.

Some guys use small HCG doses daily to increase Test levels. See: Frequency of HCG *MONOTHERAPY* doses

Personally, I would use Aromasin over Arimidex in this situation. Aromasin increases IGF-1 levels somewhat. Info link: Aromatase inhibitors other than arimidex?

Thanks both for your replies.

PJ, running HGh besides clomid, not coming off cycle, just trying to increase test levels without resorting to test injection, similar process as the one described in Sumguy's first link below.

Thinking , rather than HCG monotherapy, to go on HCG + arimidex + clomid, similar protocol as in the thread below

My experience with TRT, ready to try again

If switching from clomid to nolva, say at 10mg a day, for 1 or 2 weeks, can help lower the E2 levels before getting back on Clomid, that sounds worthwhile. Nolvadex is also used in similar protocols in lieu of clomid btw, although some info i read hint it might not work quite as well, besides being harder on IGF1.
Not sure it is worth the hassle, cause if I ever get back on aas (haven't used any for almost 20 years) at 44/45 it is very likely I'll just move to blast and cruise or at least TRT. Anyway, giving alternatives a shot, i'd be happy to get test around 1000 without shutting off natural production.

Sumguy, great link, i already ended on that website when researching but not sure I read that thread.
About the estrogen (sensitive) test, i'm afraid that wouldn't work wher i take the test, the endo so far has been keen on ordering blood tests when I asked but the panels they have on offer are quite limited. Couldn't get free test nor IGF1 either.
Still need to read the link about aromasin and research more about proviron long term use.

From what I've read Proviron 50mgs or under doesn't effect your HPTA.

Hi

Following input on this thread, I've been on the HCG around 360 UI eod, 10 mg Nolvadex ed and adex 0.25 e3d for 9 days, was planning to run Nolva for 10 days before switching back to clomid, at least until the next bloods, except for an 8 days holidays planned in the meantime. Started feeling very good with it, overall in a good mood, test must have come up quite a bit judging how easy erections came up, easier than on clomid only, although I had noticed improvement with clomid already.
Yet for the last few days sleep has worsen very noticeably. With HGH I had enjoyed a pretty deep sleep but started having troubles falling asleep than staying asleep despite still taking HGH. Feeling very tired after 4/5 days like this, lacking quite a bit of sleep and wasting hours in bed trying to rest.
Any idea where that might come from ? I suspect that has to do with the HCG/Nolva/adex protocol, recently I've also added Coq10 and Celery seeds as supplements, but doubt this is strong enough to disturb sleep that much.

Thanks in advance for all input !