Thread: Bloods after 6 weeks clomid use - high E2

Many thanks guys, lot of good info.

PJ what do you reckon about the Nolvadex suppressing IGF1 more than clomid ? I read it's also used for TRT but the results seemed less convincing than clomid's. Already shot an email for HCG to a sponsor. I have nolva at home though, could switch to nolva easily, would definitely appreciate to drop Prolactin and E2 levels.
About proviron it's a mild steroid and rereading about it seems it is only very mildly suppressive and doesn't need necessarily need to be taken along testosterone. But from that to use it for TRT seem like a big step. do you have any experiecne about it ? Can one just stop the treatment and get back to its base levels without experiencing a shutdown ? i'll look this up btw, just a bit overwhelmed right now.

Originally Posted by jnab

Many thanks guys, lot of good info.

PJ what do you reckon about the Nolvadex suppressing IGF1 more than clomid ? I read it's also used for TRT but the results seemed less convincing than clomid's. Already shot an email for HCG to a sponsor. I have nolva at home though, could switch to nolva easily, would definitely appreciate to drop Prolactin and E2 levels.
About proviron it's a mild steroid and rereading about it seems it is only very mildly suppressive and doesn't need necessarily need to be taken along testosterone. But from that to use it for TRT seem like a big step. do you have any experiecne about it ? Can one just stop the treatment and get back to its base levels without experiencing a shutdown ? i'll look this up btw, just a bit overwhelmed right now.

You won't be taking Nolva long enough to worry about it. Anastrazole conversion to estro but does nothing to block estro that is already converted from attaching to receptors. Nolva blocks and removes the excess estrogen. Meaning the Nolva will bring down your E2 count and the Anast will stop it from going back up. It will also indirectly bring down your progesterone too. You shouldn't need Nolva longer than a week or two max.

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Originally Posted by PJ034

You won't be taking Nolva long enough to worry about it. Anastrazole conversion to estro but does nothing to block estro that is already converted from attaching to receptors. Nolva blocks and removes the excess estrogen. Meaning the Nolva will bring down your E2 count and the Anast will stop it from going back up. It will also indirectly bring down your progesterone too. You shouldn't need Nolva longer than a week or two max.

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Thanks again PJ, i wonder how long I would have needed to get that precise piece of information looking for info on the net.
i ordered Arimidex and HCG already, will likely try nolvadex for 1 or 2 weeks as you advice before jumping back to clomid. Will see how the next blood test comes up and reconsider than.
Started reading about HCG and proviron btw, noticed some people take that mix year round, will check further.

Originally Posted by jnab

Thanks again PJ, i wonder how long I would have needed to get that precise piece of information looking for info on the net.
i ordered Arimidex and HCG already, will likely try nolvadex for 1 or 2 weeks as you advice before jumping back to clomid. Will see how the next blood test comes up and reconsider than.
Started reading about HCG and proviron btw, noticed some people take that mix year round, will check further.

Why are you running the clomid? If you run Nolva without running an AI then you're just band aiding the problem. There won't be much use for clomid either if you're running HCG. Most people run clomid to kick start their natural test production after a cycle. HCG also does this but better with less sides, and it's used by non steroid users to boost their natural test as well.

Are you running anything else or did you just come off of a cycle. Refresh my memory of what you're doing, and what your goals are?

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I would add that when testing for estrogen levels use the Estrogen (Sensitive) test rather than other estrogen tests, as it is more precise.

Adding Proviron lessens SHBG and is an AI to a degree. So it increases free test.

Some guys use small HCG doses daily to increase Test levels. See: Frequency of HCG *MONOTHERAPY* doses

Personally, I would use Aromasin over Arimidex in this situation. Aromasin increases IGF-1 levels somewhat. Info link: Aromatase inhibitors other than arimidex?