Bloods after 6 weeks clomid use - high E2

**jnab** · 02-26-2018, 10:21 AM

Hi

6 weeks ago after getting the first results below, i started using clomid 25mg EOD to increase test levels

Testo : 401 ng/dl
FSH 165 mIU/dl that's very low even on the local range, which shows 127 to 1926
LH 298 mIU/dl
PRL 10.89 ng/dl
E2 2700 pg/dl

Well total testosterone increased 50% but e2 went up 85%, and are now slightly above range. Prolactin levels are also near the top of the range, but they were slightly high to begin with. New numbers are below :

testo : 604ng/dl
FSH 346 mIU/dl
LH 358 mIU/dl
PRL 12.77 ng/dl range 2.64-13.13
E2 5000 pg/dl range 1100-4400

I'm afraid of high E2, like most I suppose, don't want to deal with mood swings and already had surgery for gyno, would apreciate not to go through that again.
While test and E2 are supposed to go up during Clomid therapy ( as a TRT alternative), ideally the ratio TEST/E2 should go up, which is not the case here, so it doesn't look very good.

Can some of you bros chime up with some related input ? Test levels are not yet where i'd like them, was considering adding HCG to clomid but than sure need to add an AI then. Will probably one day move to test injections but not in a rush to shut off my HPTA, and I'm afraid i will have to deal with possibly bigger e2 problem.

Also what would be the first step after those tests ? Getting AI or stopping clomid use, I don't want to add too many medicines for only modest benefits.

besides i'm taking 4 IU HGh daily and plan on going on with those, got TSH levels well within range, will post them in a seprate thread or later on, a bit in the rush now.

Thanks in advance for all input !

Update on May 12, new blood test results after 5 weeks of HCG@360IU eod , 3 of which without adex, I got a blood test around 6 hours after pinning HCG. The results came as below:

Test 573 ng/dl
E2 42 pg/ml
Prolactin 12.33 ng/ml
FSH 0.16 mIU/ml
Lh 0.21 mIU/ml

update on September 20th, pretty positive except for HDL/LDL levels... Upon returning from holidays got back on HGH and added clomid 25mg eod, HCG 360to 400iu eod as well as exemastane 12.5mg e3d. Just got blood test results, pretty good when it comes to test levels, much better than when using clomid or HCG separately :

Test 863 ng/dl
E2 43 pg/ml
Prolactin 10.05 ng/ml
FSH 1.25 mIU/ml
Lh 1.41 mIU/ml

HDL 30.50mg/dl
LDL 154.05mg/dl

**jnab** · 02-26-2018, 03:56 PM

Thinking about the problem, my next step might be to get arimidex and HCG to add to the clomid and check bloods again in 6 weeks, see if ithe mix succeeds upping the Test levels while lowering e2. Not so happy on the prospect of harming IGF1 levels though (i'm on 4iu Gh a day)

Prolactin is quite high as well, i haven't started looking into this issue but would appreciate some feedback as well, seeing some of you bros are quite literate in those hormonal issues.

Also do you have any idea if the sharp jump in E2 signals a similar effect if i ever turn to TRT via test injections ?

Thanks again !

**realdeal** · 02-26-2018, 05:08 PM

How old are you? Test levels in the 600s are not too shabby. Also how long did you wait to draw blood after finishing clomid? Estrogen rebounds at least when taking nolva thats why its good to taper off.

**madhungarian** · 02-26-2018, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by realdeal

How old are you? Test levels in the 600s are not too shabby. Also how long did you wait to draw blood after finishing clomid? Estrogen rebounds at least when taking nolva thats why its good to taper off.

Compared to what? Test levels at 600 has you basically middle of the pack with all men between 18 and 80. 600 on no meds would be ok, but not on meds. That's a level that some crappy Dr. with no trt experience would try to keep you at. On 100mgs a week of trt test I'm in the mid 600s, my crappy Dr. thinks thats ok, so I self medicate at 175mgs a week and get closer to 900.

Jnab, I've personally never done the clomid thing so I won't be any help there. But I would highly recommend you do something about that E number if you've already had gyno problems. Aromasin is an E killer while Arimidex just suppresses. Good luck and keep us posted.

**jnab** · 02-26-2018, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by madhungarian

Compared to what? Test levels at 600 has you basically middle of the pack with all men between 18 and 80. 600 on no meds would be ok, but not on meds. That's a level that some crappy Dr. with no trt experience would try to keep you at. On 100mgs a week of trt test I'm in the mid 600s, my crappy Dr. thinks thats ok, so I self medicate at 175mgs a week and get closer to 900.

Jnab, I've personally never done the clomid thing so I won't be any help there. But I would highly recommend you do something about that E number if you've already had gyno problems. Aromasin is an E killer while Arimidex just suppresses. Good luck and keep us posted.

Thanks Madhungarian, sure 900/1200 sounds better than 600. At 600 i can already feel it's easier to be aroused and it's supposed to be better to put on weight and strength (i put on a lot of mass though at test 400, not that much fat, since getting back to weightlifting, strength has been more frustrating)I 'd sure like to increase those levels. Again mattr2 was able to get his levels from 400 to almost 1200 with Clomid and HCG
Well noted about the aromasin, will check tomorrow how available it is around here ( Arimidex is available otc, aromasin likely is as well)

**madhungarian** · 02-26-2018, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by jnab

Thanks Madhungarian, sure 900/1200 sounds better than 600. At 600 i can already feel it's easier to be aroused and it's supposed to be better to put on weight and strength (i put on a lot of mass though at test 400, not that much fat, since getting back to weightlifting, strength has been more frustrating)I 'd sure like to increase those levels. Again mattr2 was able to get his levels from 400 to almost 1200 with Clomid and HCG
Well noted about the aromasin, will check tomorrow how available it is around here ( Arimidex is available otc, aromasin likely is as well)

Almost every domestic sponsor on here offers both Aromasin and Arimidex. I'm currently taking some from a sponsor on here myself. Shoot me a pm and I'll give you some details on my experience. If you made gains with your levels at 400, then you'd be the Hulk with good numbers. You were working 10x harder than a guy with better numbers to make the same gains.

**jnab** · 02-26-2018, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by madhungarian

Almost every domestic sponsor on here offers both Aromasin and Arimidex. I'm currently taking some from a sponsor on here myself. Shoot me a pm and I'll give you some details on my experience. If you made gains with your levels at 400, then you'd be the Hulk with good numbers. You were working 10x harder than a guy with better numbers to make the same gains.

Hulk sounds good. A pinkish version maybe - I still look like a small dude compared to the pics of many posters here but yes i'm surprised i put on so much weight and imagine it would be much better with test around 1000.
About the sponsors, I live in China, life is a little complicated and it's surprisingly easier to order some chinese made products from the US than from within China but AI and PCT drugs are largely available OTC.

**PJ034** · 02-26-2018, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by jnab

Thanks Madhungarian, sure 900/1200 sounds better than 600. At 600 i can already feel it's easier to be aroused and it's supposed to be better to put on weight and strength (i put on a lot of mass though at test 400, not that much fat, since getting back to weightlifting, strength has been more frustrating)I 'd sure like to increase those levels. Again mattr2 was able to get his levels from 400 to almost 1200 with Clomid and HCG
Well noted about the aromasin, will check tomorrow how available it is around here ( Arimidex is available otc, aromasin likely is as well)

Do you're research on AI's Anastrazole is about the only AI that doesn't permanently shut down your bodies production possibly indefinitely. Meaning Aromasin could cause permanent damage.

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**jnab** · 02-26-2018, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by PJ034

Do you're research on AI's Anastrazole is about the only AI that doesn't permanently shut down your bodies production possibly indefinitely. Meaning Aromasin could cause permanent damage.

thanks for the heads up, i wasn't sure why butit appears arimidex is usually prescribed during TRT rather than aromasin

**jnab** · 02-26-2018, 05:34 PM

44 y o, I haven't stopped taking clomid yet, it was used as an alternative to TRT in hope to increase my test levels from 400, so for an indefinite period, could be years or be stopped tomorrow if those bloods are too worrying. I guess i'll switch one day to TRT with injection and possibly cycle aas without PCT worries by then. So clomid was not part of a PCT, nor of reboosting my HPTA. Afaik if I stop clomid, test and e2 will go back to around the base levels (400 and 27)
Mildly happy about the 600 test, but not about the 57 E2, it doesn't look too good to see a bigger increase of E2 than test, can't say I suffer any noticeable side effects so far, but reading about high e2, it seems to be quite harmful.

In the thread below Mattr2 reached 1200 test using clomid 25mg EOD and HCG around 2000iu a week. that looks good, the side effects not taht good though, I suspect those E2 issues are what makes clomid TRT rather unpopular, especially in BB forum.

My experience with TRT, ready to try again