Bloods after 6 weeks clomid use - high E2

**jnab** · 02-26-2018, 10:21 AM

Hi

6 weeks ago after getting the first results below, i started using clomid 25mg EOD to increase test levels

Testo : 401 ng/dl
FSH 165 mIU/dl that's very low even on the local range, which shows 127 to 1926
LH 298 mIU/dl
PRL 10.89 ng/dl
E2 2700 pg/dl

Well total testosterone increased 50% but e2 went up 85%, and are now slightly above range. Prolactin levels are also near the top of the range, but they were slightly high to begin with. New numbers are below :

testo : 604ng/dl
FSH 346 mIU/dl
LH 358 mIU/dl
PRL 12.77 ng/dl range 2.64-13.13
E2 5000 pg/dl range 1100-4400

I'm afraid of high E2, like most I suppose, don't want to deal with mood swings and already had surgery for gyno, would apreciate not to go through that again.
While test and E2 are supposed to go up during Clomid therapy ( as a TRT alternative), ideally the ratio TEST/E2 should go up, which is not the case here, so it doesn't look very good.

Can some of you bros chime up with some related input ? Test levels are not yet where i'd like them, was considering adding HCG to clomid but than sure need to add an AI then. Will probably one day move to test injections but not in a rush to shut off my HPTA, and I'm afraid i will have to deal with possibly bigger e2 problem.

Also what would be the first step after those tests ? Getting AI or stopping clomid use, I don't want to add too many medicines for only modest benefits.

besides i'm taking 4 IU HGh daily and plan on going on with those, got TSH levels well within range, will post them in a seprate thread or later on, a bit in the rush now.

Thanks in advance for all input !

Update on May 12, new blood test results after 5 weeks of HCG@360IU eod , 3 of which without adex, I got a blood test around 6 hours after pinning HCG. The results came as below:

Test 573 ng/dl
E2 42 pg/ml
Prolactin 12.33 ng/ml
FSH 0.16 mIU/ml
Lh 0.21 mIU/ml

update on September 20th, pretty positive except for HDL/LDL levels... Upon returning from holidays got back on HGH and added clomid 25mg eod, HCG 360to 400iu eod as well as exemastane 12.5mg e3d. Just got blood test results, pretty good when it comes to test levels, much better than when using clomid or HCG separately :

Test 863 ng/dl
E2 43 pg/ml
Prolactin 10.05 ng/ml
FSH 1.25 mIU/ml
Lh 1.41 mIU/ml

HDL 30.50mg/dl
LDL 154.05mg/dl

**jnab** · 02-26-2018, 03:56 PM

Thinking about the problem, my next step might be to get arimidex and HCG to add to the clomid and check bloods again in 6 weeks, see if ithe mix succeeds upping the Test levels while lowering e2. Not so happy on the prospect of harming IGF1 levels though (i'm on 4iu Gh a day)

Prolactin is quite high as well, i haven't started looking into this issue but would appreciate some feedback as well, seeing some of you bros are quite literate in those hormonal issues.

Also do you have any idea if the sharp jump in E2 signals a similar effect if i ever turn to TRT via test injections ?

Thanks again !

**realdeal** · 02-26-2018, 05:08 PM

How old are you? Test levels in the 600s are not too shabby. Also how long did you wait to draw blood after finishing clomid? Estrogen rebounds at least when taking nolva thats why its good to taper off.

**jnab** · 02-26-2018, 05:34 PM

44 y o, I haven't stopped taking clomid yet, it was used as an alternative to TRT in hope to increase my test levels from 400, so for an indefinite period, could be years or be stopped tomorrow if those bloods are too worrying. I guess i'll switch one day to TRT with injection and possibly cycle aas without PCT worries by then. So clomid was not part of a PCT, nor of reboosting my HPTA. Afaik if I stop clomid, test and e2 will go back to around the base levels (400 and 27)
Mildly happy about the 600 test, but not about the 57 E2, it doesn't look too good to see a bigger increase of E2 than test, can't say I suffer any noticeable side effects so far, but reading about high e2, it seems to be quite harmful.

In the thread below Mattr2 reached 1200 test using clomid 25mg EOD and HCG around 2000iu a week. that looks good, the side effects not taht good though, I suspect those E2 issues are what makes clomid TRT rather unpopular, especially in BB forum.

My experience with TRT, ready to try again

**realdeal** · 02-26-2018, 05:48 PM

That makes sense. I always heard about clomid used as a TRT but then I've also seen posts/studies that showed long term clomid use is bad. Why did you choose the clomid TRT versus traditional?

**jnab** · 02-26-2018, 06:08 PM

Many users appear to dislike the way they feel using clomid, nasty side effects besides high E2 are eyesight related afaik, but less likely on a low dose .

Holding off injecting test for TRT/long term cruise to avoid shutting off HPTA, so it's easy to drop the treatment, either to travel or because I don't like it. Read several testimonies of guys on TRT who try to stop and those are not fun to read. Here in China it's fairly easy to get testosterone and most or all PCT and AI medicines are available OTC, but i doubt i can get a TRT prescription from the endo as 400 is way above the local bottom of the range (175 to 781). In the US the low end is 300 and anti aging clinics apparently will put patients with higher readings on TRT anyway.
Still mulling over what to do next, i'm also aching to take aas, and will probably cruise after a cycle if I go that way.

Besides are you on TRT ? Would you take an AI with E2@50 or just let it go ?

**realdeal** · 02-26-2018, 06:19 PM

Im not currently on TRT although i want to be. I'm 34 and my test level is 400ish and sex drive is super low when not cycling. I'm having my first kid in 6 months. Once i have another one in a year or so i will be on TRT for sure. I'm been learning/lirking in TRT section because i know my day will come. I know when the time comes i will need to be in the 200s to get my doc to prescribe me Test so i will go at the end of my cycle when i know my test levels are super low. I don't want to go at 0 or he will likely know. Also I will need to plan clomid use and hcg accordingly to show that i'm "shutdown"

Its up to you on Estrogen i would probably take a small amount of AI but if you're not getting sides then maybe let it go. Your numbers are a little different than mine here in the states.

**madhungarian** · 02-26-2018, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by realdeal

How old are you? Test levels in the 600s are not too shabby. Also how long did you wait to draw blood after finishing clomid? Estrogen rebounds at least when taking nolva thats why its good to taper off.

Compared to what? Test levels at 600 has you basically middle of the pack with all men between 18 and 80. 600 on no meds would be ok, but not on meds. That's a level that some crappy Dr. with no trt experience would try to keep you at. On 100mgs a week of trt test I'm in the mid 600s, my crappy Dr. thinks thats ok, so I self medicate at 175mgs a week and get closer to 900.

Jnab, I've personally never done the clomid thing so I won't be any help there. But I would highly recommend you do something about that E number if you've already had gyno problems. Aromasin is an E killer while Arimidex just suppresses. Good luck and keep us posted.

**jnab** · 02-26-2018, 06:33 PM

Thanks again RealDeal, and good luck with two kids. that number sounds right indeed, we have 2, if I told my wife going into TRT would make having a third one harder, she'd probably push me to get in !
It seems that when one is cycling AAS it's fairly easy to play with the test numbers when going to the endo, doctors must feel suspicious when a jacked BBer shows up in their office claiming to be low test but than aas users seem to be most at risk of HPTA shutdown.

Still thinking of trying clomid + HCG + arimidex + possibly B6 for prolactin for 6 weeks or so, see how the body reacts.

**jnab** · 02-26-2018, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by madhungarian

Compared to what? Test levels at 600 has you basically middle of the pack with all men between 18 and 80. 600 on no meds would be ok, but not on meds. That's a level that some crappy Dr. with no trt experience would try to keep you at. On 100mgs a week of trt test I'm in the mid 600s, my crappy Dr. thinks thats ok, so I self medicate at 175mgs a week and get closer to 900.

Jnab, I've personally never done the clomid thing so I won't be any help there. But I would highly recommend you do something about that E number if you've already had gyno problems. Aromasin is an E killer while Arimidex just suppresses. Good luck and keep us posted.

Thanks Madhungarian, sure 900/1200 sounds better than 600. At 600 i can already feel it's easier to be aroused and it's supposed to be better to put on weight and strength (i put on a lot of mass though at test 400, not that much fat, since getting back to weightlifting, strength has been more frustrating)I 'd sure like to increase those levels. Again mattr2 was able to get his levels from 400 to almost 1200 with Clomid and HCG
Well noted about the aromasin, will check tomorrow how available it is around here ( Arimidex is available otc, aromasin likely is as well)