Thread: TRT and HCG question

Just curious to know who uses HCG while on trt? I currently run 400mg per week on trt, might seem high but I don't feel it at a lower dose....I currently inject once ever 7 days, but after reading on here I'm going to split my shots into 200mg twice per week....( I was thinking of bringing my dosage down to 150 twice per week, which might be better in the long run, just not sure )....

If you are running HCG, what's your protocol? weeks on weeks off etc? dosage? and of course benefits.....other than shooting loads like a porn star! :-)

I have read articles that say Yes do it, and some that say No don't do it....so I'm looking for real life experience....

I'm sure this is a redundant post of some kind, but as we all know, things change as research and experience does as well...

thanks guys, hopefully this post isn't too confusing..LOL

My opinion is trt treatment is a life long thing. So if your using HCG as a part of it you wouldn't cycle it. As far as dosage I've heard if you take to little per shot the receptors won't pick it up and if you take too much your receptors don't respond correct either. I've heard this theory on a few different sites and to me it makes sense. As for as dose per shot I think 250 to 350 iu's is the norm from what I hear people take. I have heard of some that take 500 per shot. I started trt at a place and wasn't given HCG with my test. Didn't feel great and my balls shrunk up. More importantly your balls produce a hormone called pregnenolone. It's a very important hormone for men you wouldn't be able to make if you shut your balls down. So when I went to my new place they gave me HCG. My balls came back and I felt better. Plus I've heard of the theory it's better to still be able to make natural testosterone with the synthetic one your injecting. I would space out the HCG like u mentioned. See how you feel.

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so I would do it along with my TEST shot, twice per week and some where in between 250 and 350 iu's? I might have to PCT off and reset myself...still researching it. Just not sure my body will respond @ 50 and already on TEST for so long.......

Originally Posted by Wrenchhead80

My opinion is trt treatment is a life long thing. So if your using HCG as a part of it you wouldn't cycle it. As far as dosage I've heard if you take to little per shot the receptors won't pick it up and if you take too much your receptors don't respond correct either. I've heard this theory on a few different sites and to me it makes sense. As for as dose per shot I think 250 to 350 iu's is the norm from what I hear people take. I have heard of some that take 500 per shot. I started trt at a place and wasn't given HCG with my test. Didn't feel great and my balls shrunk up. More importantly your balls produce a hormone called pregnenolone. It's a very important hormone for men you wouldn't be able to make if you shut your balls down. So when I went to my new place they gave me HCG. My balls came back and I felt better. Plus I've heard of the theory it's better to still be able to make natural testosterone with the synthetic one your injecting. I would space out the HCG like u mentioned. See how you feel.

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Originally Posted by ctmuscledad

so I would do it along with my TEST shot, twice per week and some where in between 250 and 350 iu's? I might have to PCT off and reset myself...still researching it. Just not sure my body will respond @ 50 and already on TEST for so long.......

I don't know how much HCG you have to work with but from my reading it seems guys take around 500 to 1000 a week total but divided up either twice or more a week.

Guys trying to have kids or prescribed alot more per week ( i read over 2000 a week) so 800 to 1000 isn't considered to much. Then again they aren't using it for a life time ike we will and I have heard the use of HCG as we are using it doesn't have long term studies yet. So take that for what it's worth.

From my reading I've heard guys taking 2 500iu's shots spaced out a week or 3 or 4 shots of 250iu's spaced out a week. I do 3 shots of 330iu's a week in between my 3 shots of Test I take a week. I don't know if you take one or more shots of Test a week but I would definitely do your HCG shots on a different days then your test shots. To keep your levels of Test more level threw the week and to keep estrogen spikes down.

I'm new to all this stuff, so take what I say as a opinion. Also read alot in different forums to get a feel for things and different views on stuff. Cause some forums or more about building muscle while others or more about quality of life of being on this stuff full time for life. I'm not knocking either, I respect both. I'm personally trying to find a balance of both worlds for myself.

I used to take 200mg of Test C a week. Since learning more and learning how my body responds to things, I'm now taking 150mg a week and I feel better in life and in the gym. That's coming from a guy that thought more was always better too lol. So keep a open mind and read alot.

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Originally Posted by ctmuscledad

Just curious to know who uses HCG while on trt? I currently run 400mg per week on trt, might seem high but I don't feel it at a lower dose....I currently inject once ever 7 days, but after reading on here I'm going to split my shots into 200mg twice per week....( I was thinking of bringing my dosage down to 150 twice per week, which might be better in the long run, just not sure )....

If you are running HCG, what's your protocol? weeks on weeks off etc? dosage? and of course benefits.....other than shooting loads like a porn star! :-)

I have read articles that say Yes do it, and some that say No don't do it....so I'm looking for real life experience....

I'm sure this is a redundant post of some kind, but as we all know, things change as research and experience does as well...

thanks guys, hopefully this post isn't too confusing..LOL

R. 400mg per week is a moderate Test cycle. TRT normally runs 200mg a week or less split into two doses. I don't think you would feel such a low dose of TRT unless your labs showed really low/below normal Test levels. Then you would notice the difference.

I would presume at 400mg per week you are self-medicating and not actually using a TRT clinic?

I was thinking of bringing my dosage down to 150 twice per week, which might be better in the long run, just not sure )....

R. In the long run keeping TRT doses as low as possible while retaining the benefits of TRT is the goal of most TRT clinics. TRT clinics/Doc's use your labs to adjust doses accordingly to keep things in perspective according to their patients labs. Some Docs don't prescribe HCG with TRT which tells me they don't think its neccessary or lack the knowledge of using same?

Most TRT patients think higher TRT doses are best because they want to gain muscle. But that's where the difference of opinion comes in. The Doc wants to see good labs, the patient (most of them) want to gain muscle. But the clinics are more interested in your well being and labs than they are with the patients desire to gain muscle. Like you might think that a 950 Tot. lab is G2G, but your estrogen is higher. So the Doc says lets drop the Test a bit to see how it effects your estrogen levels? The patient tries that and his labs come back with a lower Tot. Test level, but his estrogen is lower and has a higher free T level and he feels better. And doesn't need an AI.

You can accomplish both tho with a good diet, exercise/gym, etc., maybe not as much with higher doses of PED's. But the higher the dose, the more sides you have to deal with in keeping your labs within normal ranges.

I ran HCG monotherapy at 350IU's twice a week which got my Test levels in the higher range before I started TRT. But my estrogen levels where higher, So I added Aromasin to keep my Test/Estrogen ratio in check.

My TRT protocol was 350IU's of Watson 200mg/ml of Test Cyp or 70mg x 2 = 140mg per week. My HCG was dropped to 300IU's twice per week with the TRT. I would usually mix the HCG with the Test for one injection just for convenience, never had any PIP or other issues doing this.

Some guys say they don't need the HCG, lucky for them? I can't say if I felt any benefits from doing HCG while on TRT? I think its more of a visual thing, not watching your nuts shrivel up? Some use HCG while on TRT in order to be able to have kids if they want to. This is all more of a personal thing. Excelmale.com is a forum specifically designed for TRT, might want to check them out. I read a lot of comments on this very subject there.

Guys running TRT and guys running a higher mg cycle are two different animals and why protocols and opinions appear to be all over the place. I think the first question to ask yourself is: Do you want to run a cycle or do I want to maintain a TRT protocol (under 200mgs). Once you answer this for yourself, you will be better able to find the protocol for your choice.

It can't hurt to see a TRT clinic and ask for an evaluation and full set of labs to see where your at.

I don't know how long you have been on your current 400mg per week cycle? But if you decide to continue this, I would just look at my nuts and if they have shrunk then I would add the HCG at 300-350IU's twice a week until you start to see some improvement in the volume of testicles.

When was the last time you did a full set of labs?

my current trt is 300mg cyp wk, 1mg anastrozole 2x wk, hcg 500iu weekly. blood work done every 6-8 months, been doing this for many years... 15+
per Dr

Thank you to everybody that responded to this post and my pm's. I have a pretty solid plan based on feed back and will take my next course.....hopefully I didn't fuck myself up too much and can bounce back. I have a friend that's a nurse, going to have him check out my blood test results, probably also post on here for feed back...

thanks again!!!

Originally Posted by bnj

my current trt is 300mg cyp wk, 1mg anastrozole 2x wk, hcg 500iu weekly. blood work done every 6-8 months, been doing this for many years... 15+
per Dr

Thts is wht my Endicoligst has me on except I do 200 test I tried 300 it worked good but he won't up my dose and my insurance only covers wht I need for the month. Pharmaceutical assholes..loldont cover my Hcg either so I get it from Walgreens and its $160 .stupid expensive .

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My trt doc gave me hcg trouche with my 200week of test, 100 week of deca. She felt it important. My buddy's urologist/trt doc didnt prescribe him hcg fornthe 200mg every 10 days that he does

My Dr prescribes me 300mg test cyp per week. I’ve been at that dose for 1.5yrs. I feel good with no side effects. I have to be honest though I taper down to 200mg for my lab tests which put me in the neighborhood of 1100 tt. I’m assuming I’m around 1400 tt when dosing 300mg.