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      Should I start trt?

      General question I know!

      I'm 43 and recently did my first cycle of Anavar, and although I think it was under dosed what I took from it was how good I felt while on it, not like euphoric but clear headed, energetic, no muscle soreness, random erections like an 18 year old.....reduced appetite etc.

      I did bloods before I started and they came back 'in range' but at the lower end of the scale, I've bought a cycle of Anavar again......but I'm about to stay a cycle of tbol 50mg a day.

      If this makes me feel like the last cycle then I know I need more test!
      I've bought clomid and after this cycle and pct with tamoxifen I was going to take 25mg eod as I don't fancy the sides from testo gel..........I've enquired with my gp and I can't get any help from the NHS so all this is purchased meds.

      Would you recommend me doing this with my bloods being like this, took first thing in morning.



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      Should I start trt?

      Quote Originally Posted by Lagger View Post
      General question I know!

      I'm 43 and recently did my first cycle of Anavar, and although I think it was under dosed what I took from it was how good I felt while on it, not like euphoric but clear headed, energetic, no muscle soreness, random erections like an 18 year old.....reduced appetite etc.

      I did bloods before I started and they came back 'in range' but at the lower end of the scale, I've bought a cycle of Anavar again......but I'm about to stay a cycle of tbol 50mg a day.

      If this makes me feel like the last cycle then I know I need more test!
      I've bought clomid and after this cycle and pct with tamoxifen I was going to take 25mg eod as I don't fancy the sides from testo gel..........I've enquired with my gp and I can't get any help from the NHS so all this is purchased meds.

      Would you recommend me doing this with my bloods being like this, took first thing in morning.



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      So converting nmol/L to ng/dL (what we are used to seeing) would put your test levels around 314ng/dL. I would say that is low. The doctors will probably say you fall within an acceptable range based on your age (300-900) but just because you fall within some stupid range they came up with does not mean it’s OK. I would call that low and I would first do what you can to increase test naturally (without introducing an exogenous source of testosterone). You can try taking 50mg of clomid per day and that signals the testes to get to work....if all else fails if I were you I’d be injecting 200mg of Test Cyp or E per week for TRT. That being said...I am a TRT patient and I am RXd Test Cyp. It’s a for-life type of thing tho really. I don’t think there’s gonna ever be a time where I can just stop injections....especially as long as I’ve been in TRT.

      Good luck

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      Thanks for the reply mate......
      The clomid popped up as I was looking up sust injections as they have a supposed 3 week affective period, although most say that's nonsense.
      I work away offshore and taking needles with me and test I'd need a doctors letter to my company, forwarded to the client and medic, and I've seen lads with diabetes get chased off rigs so that's a no no unfortunately.

      I could take clomid tablets with me, and if I can't then the way they work missing some now and again I'd guess isn't an issue?

      I've tried most things to get me back up, I'm dry half the year, my diet is varied but could be better, and I've tried to pack muscle on to increase test, but I get extreme muscle soreness and injure easy, that never happened really until the last 5 year or so, so I can't do it.
      I've tried DAA, MACA,L-Arganine, etc etc....and apart from a slight boost in libido, which is the only symptom of low t I don't have I'd say, they did nothing.
      Cortisone inhibitors made me feel worse, and like you say I'd say 314 test is bad for a man my age.


      Will I need an AI with the clomid or only if I get gyno?

      I think I will eventually and up on test, hopefully doctor prescribed, but not holding my breath

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lagger View Post
      Thanks for the reply mate......
      The clomid popped up as I was looking up sust injections as they have a supposed 3 week affective period, although most say that's nonsense.
      I work away offshore and taking needles with me and test I'd need a doctors letter to my company, forwarded to the client and medic, and I've seen lads with diabetes get chased off rigs so that's a no no unfortunately.

      I could take clomid tablets with me, and if I can't then the way they work missing some now and again I'd guess isn't an issue?

      I've tried most things to get me back up, I'm dry half the year, my diet is varied but could be better, and I've tried to pack muscle on to increase test, but I get extreme muscle soreness and injure easy, that never happened really until the last 5 year or so, so I can't do it.
      I've tried DAA, MACA,L-Arganine, etc etc....and apart from a slight boost in libido, which is the only symptom of low t I don't have I'd say, they did nothing.
      Cortisone inhibitors made me feel worse, and like you say I'd say 314 test is bad for a man my age.


      Will I need an AI with the clomid or only if I get gyno?

      I think I will eventually and up on test, hopefully doctor prescribed, but not holding my breath
      Clomid (clomiphene citrate) to raise your natural production levels of testosterone is NOT nonsense. I and many others have first-hand experience with this. When I tried it took about 4 months to get my natural production up to around 600-700ng/dL. I had to stop taking due to side effects (blurred vision, heart palpitations, ringing in ears). Once you stop, most likely testosterone production levels will decline back to where they were. If all you are taking is clomid, no need to worry about gyno. Never heard of anyone getting gyno from clomid. In fact, clomid is actually a SERM and will block estrogen from binding. It does not per-say lower estrogen levels but will keep them from binding to receptors.
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      Just to clarify I was saying a sust injection lasting 3 weeks people say is nonsense, and the up and down of test is not as good as weekly injections.
      I've seen a lot of good stuff about clomid and I'm looking forward to it after my tbol cycle

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lagger View Post
      Just to clarify I was saying a sust injection lasting 3 weeks people say is nonsense, and the up and down of test is not as good as weekly injections.
      I've seen a lot of good stuff about clomid and I'm looking forward to it after my tbol cycle
      Ahh okay my bad brother. I misunderstood what you were saying. My apologies.

      If you have any other questions just post and myself or someone will do our best to help.

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      No problem mate, thanks for the help, the more I dig the more I realise my test is in the toilet!

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      I know I'm jumping the gun here, but what is your opinion on longer lasting test, namely sustonon (3weeks) and undecanoate (3 month)?
      Just gaining knowledge at the moment

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      I've decided on 12.5mg eod of clomid and see how I get on, I'm about to start a tbol cycle, should I start the Clomid with it or start this at the end, for info I will do 10 days tamoxifen at the end of my cycle as well, unless you say it's not needed?

      Thanks for any advice

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      Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe View Post
      So converting nmol/L to ng/dL (what we are used to seeing) would put your test levels around 314ng/dL. I would say that is low. The doctors will probably say you fall within an acceptable range based on your age (300-900) but just because you fall within some stupid range they came up with does not mean it’s OK. I would call that low and I would first do what you can to increase test naturally (without introducing an exogenous source of testosterone). You can try taking 50mg of clomid per day and that signals the testes to get to work....if all else fails if I were you I’d be injecting 200mg of Test Cyp or E per week for TRT. That being said...I am a TRT patient and I am RXd Test Cyp. It’s a for-life type of thing tho really. I don’t think there’s gonna ever be a time where I can just stop injections....especially as long as I’ve been in TRT.

      Good luck
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