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      Quote Originally Posted by Danx43 View Post
      I'm not blaming low T for my struggles in the gym, it's just an added symptom that I have along with so many others. I don't remember saying I have a sedimentary lifestyle. I have a great life actually, good job, drama free, and until my shoulder injury about 2 months ago was going to the gym 4 times a week. Yes I need to loose a little more weight, but don't just assume I'm some fatass sitting around playing video games all day while injecting test in the hopes it will 'fix' me..

      After my blood work I thought trt could help my symptoms, but since everyone is different there was no real way to know without trying. Some people feel great at 400, some people feel like shit at 600, it seems to be very person specific. It hasn't worked for me, but at least now I know. I'm going to have my blood work done again and this time get my estrogen levels checked as well. After I get the numbers back I can go from there.
      I'm assuming sedintary lifestyle because of body weight and lack of strength.

      Sorry.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Delta5 View Post
      Ive not read EVERY reply here....but I will say this....first and foremost is how u feel. That number don't mean shit, if u have all the symptoms of low T and are feeling like shit. The range is also, not age adjusted. If your nips were itching, your E2 is spiked, no doubt from your 1st/2nd pin. Your night shift is also working against u...but we gotta do what we gotta do. And yes, u should give it another week or so and see how u feel. Personally I wouldn't fuck with Adex...I use aromasin!! BUT...that's just me.
      As DROID said,,,get some blood work done and know for sure whats up.
      I'm going to get blood work done probably on Monday and see what it says. Until then I think I'll stop pinning. If it turns out to be an issue with E2, I don't think missing a week of pinning will matter much if I decide to continue.

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      lol....

      If it were me, drop the AI (adex/aromasin), stick with your test dose...go do bloods in the next week or two. Your E2 will likely be just over the range...if so, get aromasin (like I said, if it were me) take 12.5mg every 3 days...go get bloods done again to dial in AI.

      OR, drop test dose to 175 to 200/wk (use NO AI)...get bloods again. Ideally u want a test dose that doesn't NEED an AI.
      Your lifestyle does not sound....sedentary lol. The body weight is from your diet. Your other symptoms are most likely...low T levels, as u suspect. If your natural test levels are low....FOR YOU...then they are too low to support trauma from the gym....and theres your issue with strength.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
      I'm assuming sedintary lifestyle because of body weight and lack of strength.

      Sorry.

      Carry on
      If I just sat around and did nothing I wouldn't consider my strength any type of symptom, but the fact that my strength gains are so slow made me believe it could be a symptom of low t. That's actually the symptom that bothers me the least. It's more the energy level, depression, and anxiety I was really wanting to fix.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Delta5 View Post
      lol....

      If it were me, drop the AI (adex/aromasin), stick with your test dose...go do bloods in the next week or two. Your E2 will likely be just over the range...if so, get aromasin (like I said, if it were me) take 12.5mg every 3 days...go get bloods done again to dial in AI.

      OR, drop test dose to 175 to 200/wk (use NO AI)...get bloods again. Ideally u want a test dose that doesn't NEED an AI.
      Your lifestyle does not sound....sedentary lol. The body weight is from your diet. Your other symptoms are most likely...low T levels, as u suspect. If your natural test levels are low....FOR YOU...then they are too low to support trauma from the gym....and theres your issue with strength.
      Like I said, I'll get my blood work done and see. If my test levels are much higher, which I suspect they are now, I might try just lowering the dose like you suggested. I guess now it's just a wait and see how the numbers come back.

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      Many people need TRT for many reasons....at different ages. Youll be ok man. Take your time, get more bloods pulled. Go from there.
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      Dan I'm no pro at TRT but I'll tell you I've learned quite a bit from knowledgeable guys on this forum and others. When I started reading your post it sounded somewhat similar to my situation but also its not close.
      So im in my late 40s im 6ft tall and weigh 216 lbs.
      The last 6 months I dedicated myself to getting a great Coach to not only help me in my goals but motivate me and lastly get educated on the fitness lifestyle.
      About 5-6 months ago I was 235 lbs. He put my ass on a strict diet and with that diet Im down to 216 as of yesterday. I meal prep EVERYTHING. I cant remember the last time I have had a donut, chocolate, shit food or even soda. My lifestyle has drastically changed.

      What I'm getting at is get your diet in check. Get your FULL bloods done. I just had mine done as im in the 460s. Everything is within range also. You need to be a bit more educated on TRT. You cant just think ok I feel like shit and I cant get a boner so I'll inject TEST. Honestly I been going back and forth with my own situation on climbing on board with TRT. I have everything I need to start but I'm still doing a few things to prep myself.

      Your late night work isnt helping but many work around that. Get yourself on a good diet and than start thinking about TRT etc. After eating and training properly along with great rest you'll be surprised how you feel even when not on a compound.

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      I did change my diet around the same time you did, I was at 240lbs, at about 220 now. The weight dropped pretty fast but slowed a lot when I hurt my shoulder. I was eating very unhealthy, but now I eat much better.

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      If you would have educated yourself first you would have known what labs to get pulled. The results of those test would have given you a great starting protocol to start with.

      Instead your just making it up as you go, like your a car and you can just try different parts. If you continue on this path I'm sure in a week or two I'll be reading about how you destroyed your estrogen levels and how much worse you feel now.

      Now you want to get blood work done while you already started this mess and your blood results won't mean shit. You need to get to a "steady state". I'd stop everything and wait at least 6 weeks and then get the proper labs done and see where you are. Here's a suggestion too, you may have a thyroid problem which has a lot of the same symptoms of low T.

      While your waiting six weeks go on different trt boards and learn everything you can. Buy a book too.

      Btw: Anything over 200mg a week in test is not considered TRT. Few people on a real trt protocol require that much. The ones that do usually have a high SHBG and require a larger dose. Or you have people like me with a low SHBG and I can take 22mg of test C a day and have double the high range side of free T. That's also the nice thing about knowing your SHBG, helps you determine number of shots per week needed for best results.

      If you mess with a AI and don't know what your doing you can destroy your estrogen so bad it never rebounds. I've read of people this has happen to, its hell for life. Also the difference between 5mg and .5mg of AI are huge. Let alone .5mg alone can lower you so much you feel like crap. So you better be sure of doses, frequency and where your getting your info from.

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      A lot of people...are people, they MAY do the wrong thing with good intentions. Did he start off wrong, sure he did...

      His symptoms sound more like low T than a fucked up thyroid...but SOME are there. His mild weight gain, would not be one of them....especially since he's dieted some back off. I doubt his thyroid is "ill".

      He was given a suggestion to use aromasin, much easier to deal with....with a dose they wont crash his E2...for life lol.

      He was given the suggestion to get to a "steady state" and to lower and level off his dose with enough time for his bloods...to mean, shit.

      Im 51, been on self admin. TRT for several yrs, because most Drs/Endo's/Uro's don't know or don't care to know, what the fuck they are doing. My pituitary was damaged from head trauma. As stated, MANY men need TRT at different ages, for many reasons. A LOT are due to environmental toxins tho....and the age affected is slow, but sure, getting younger and younger.

      His "steady state" bloods would notify him of low SHBG.

      The best protocol there is, is daily pins of Prop....mimics a bodies natural production the closest, with zero E2 spikes.

      Now....could there be another issue besides low T...sure, everyones diff and anythings possible...but I doubt it. Did he start off a little wrong, sure he did, but just waiting 6 weeks is easier said than done....when feeling like he does.

      OP Danx...pm me if u would like to read a book on TRT by a 30 yr neurosurgeon and another guy that knows his endocrinology, blood work, etc better than Drs...hes been doing it about 20 yrs. Not boasting, these are just the 2 guys credentials. And theyre knowledge is.....very good, Ill leave it at that. Maybe read it during your 6 weeker :0
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