Thread: New to TRT, more questions than before I started

Originally Posted by Delta5

Ah man...don't be down. Hate to see someone just go back to...feeling like shit. I kno...Ive felt it.
And its terribly un-healthy having mixed up messed up hormones!! Screw posts for info...including mine, I can understand being over-whelmed with diff info youre getting.
Research a few good books u feel ok with, read them. Come off, stay on, whatever...just get bloods when youre stable and research.
Good luck...once u start learning yourself and not depending on us for info...youll learn its not as much as it seems. I don't mean that in a rude tone, just when its YOUR knowledge from good research...you feel confident about your decisions.

Technically I'm not going back to feeling like shit, I am just going to continue to feel like shit because I feel no different on 250mg of test a week than I did before I started. The only difference now is I won't have to stab myself in the leg twice a week. I did research for several weeks before I made the decision to start. All my symptoms pointed to low T, and at my age it seemed very likely. But no amount of research is going to give you a 100% right answer to what dose you need, or, like in my case, if it will even help. Everyone is different and there is just so much you can research before you have to give it a shot (literally) to see how your body responds.

The test did nothing for me but cause me to get morning wood, which doesn't matter to me because I'm single and never get laid anyway. It also caused itchy and irritated nipples which drove me to taking some Arimidex which caused me to have major side effects that I'm still suffering with. So it's not a big loss, a couple hundred bucks worth of test, arimidex, hcg, and supplies, a slight bit of pip for a couple weeks, and a couple days of hot flashes from the Arimidex. It was a learning experience and now I know that my issues are not related to my low-normal test levels. And I haven't been on it long enough to worry about pct or my t crashing when it's out of my system. I don't regret trying, when you feel really low you're willing to try anything to feel better.

I'll just continue to struggle with my issues and deal with it the best I can, continue to go to the gym and lose more weight, I want to get down to around 200lbs.

Originally Posted by Delta5

A lot of people...are people, they MAY do the wrong thing with good intentions. Did he start off wrong, sure he did...

His symptoms sound more like low T than a fucked up thyroid...but SOME are there. His mild weight gain, would not be one of them....especially since he's dieted some back off. I doubt his thyroid is "ill".

He was given a suggestion to use aromasin, much easier to deal with....with a dose they wont crash his E2...for life lol.

He was given the suggestion to get to a "steady state" and to lower and level off his dose with enough time for his bloods...to mean, shit.

Im 51, been on self admin. TRT for several yrs, because most Drs/Endo's/Uro's don't know or don't care to know, what the fuck they are doing. My pituitary was damaged from head trauma. As stated, MANY men need TRT at different ages, for many reasons. A LOT are due to environmental toxins tho....and the age affected is slow, but sure, getting younger and younger.

His "steady state" bloods would notify him of low SHBG.

The best protocol there is, is daily pins of Prop....mimics a bodies natural production the closest, with zero E2 spikes.

Now....could there be another issue besides low T...sure, everyones diff and anythings possible...but I doubt it. Did he start off a little wrong, sure he did, but just waiting 6 weeks is easier said than done....when feeling like he does.

OP Danx...pm me if u would like to read a book on TRT by a 30 yr neurosurgeon and another guy that knows his endocrinology, blood work, etc better than Drs...hes been doing it about 20 yrs. Not boasting, these are just the 2 guys credentials. And theyre knowledge is.....very good, Ill leave it at that. Maybe read it during your 6 weeker :0

Weight issues are not thyroid related , yeah sure lol. That alone tells me you have limited understanding of this stuff.

"The best protocol is daily pins". Maybe you should go read some more books before giving me a attitude or acting like you know everything. Daily pins are not ideal for everyone and can actually work against someone with a high SHBG or other factors for example. They will feel worse on daily pins! Plenty of people very happy taking two shots a week of test C. Trying to tell people that everyone should be on daily pins to mimick natural delivery is a joke and outdated information. It's not possible to do that if you understood the natural delivery of test.

As far as the AI goes, never said it "will" destroy his estrogen for life but "could" if he continued taking too much for too long without understanding what he's doing and getting follow up labs. It has happened to people, that's a fact. Not something to laugh about. Someone like him, I could see that happening too. No offense to the guy, but it clearly shows he hasn't done enough research in any of this to be self medicating yet.


And to add, he doesn't even know if he's primary or secondary. The right labs would have told him and a good protocol could have been established first. Let alone it would help him know if hcg would work for him. But I guess you know all about that stuff too. You should fill him in on that.


The only thing you really had right is most doctors or clueless on this stuff. I'll add there are plenty of places (mens clinics) that just want your money and are also clueless.

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Originally Posted by Wrenchhead80

You say your test levels aren't that bad and gave us your ft and tt numbers but I don't see the ranges listed with them? Without the ranges those numbers mean nothing. All labs run different ranges passed on averages at that lab. Did anyone even mention this here? Maybe I missed it?

I assumed the ranges were the same for everyone when it comes to tt and ft. My tt was 434 range 250-1100 ft was 63 range 35-155. However, as well all know, labcorp sets the standard range and about a year and a half ago lowered it from 384-1197 to 264-961 because they want men to be less man like and more like women. However the range levels don't mean much since everyone is different and feel differently depending on their own genetics.

Originally Posted by Danx43

I assumed the ranges were the same for everyone when it comes to tt and ft. My tt was 434 range 250-1100 ft was 63 range 35-155. However, as well all know, labcorp sets the standard range and about a year and a half ago lowered it from 384-1197 to 264-961 because they want men to be less man like and more like women. However the range levels don't mean much since everyone is different and feel differently depending on their own genetics.

I agree the ranges are ranges set by a lab, it just gives others like myself a reference to go by since they do change. I agree you can't go strictly by them but it does give a ball park idea. Your TT isn't the most important one but your FT is. In your case you are low in both and more importantly with your FT. As you said yourself they lowered the ranges even more, which makes you even lower in a way. TRT may help in you case. But as others and myself have said you also have to do your part with diet, exercise, rest ect. Some people do their best in the 3/4 range for FT. Others need to go over the range a little or more. You should also think about gaining more info on how the thyroid works and if yours is working right. People who have been on trt for a while and thought they felt good felt even better when they found out their thyroid needed help and got it fixed.

I think you should stop everything, which it sounds like you decided to do and wait for your normal blood levels to come back and re-test then if your interested in trying trt again. Why anyone would suggest getting labs done while your only a couple weeks in and throwing in different things as your going along makes no sense. You would only be getting a small picture of that time you drew blood. After you learn what half lives are for different meds and when steady states are achieved then you will know when it makes sense to get labs done.

Good luck and check your PM.