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Are Clomid and Nolvadex helpful in PCT if you are on TRT?
Are Clomid and Nolvadex helpful in PCT if you are on TRT?
I am on TRT, 350IU's of 200mg/ml Test Cypionate. Or about 60-70mgs twice a week.
I did a cycle NPP/Mast Prop/100-120mgs Test Cyp for 2 months. When I stopped I did 3-5,000IU's of HCG about 300-500IU's twice a week until the 3 vials were gone. Currently I feel like shit, haven't been to the gym in a few weeks. Have low energy and been sleeping most of the day. Have no motivation or drive.
My question is: Will SERMS like Clomid and Nolvadex do anything to regain normal HPTA while on TRT? Or will Clomid/Nolva be a waste of money in this scenario?
I know HCG whether on or off cycle will keep the gonads functioning. But I'm not sure if Clomid/Nolva will help someone recover if they are on TRT? I have a tendency to think Clomid and Nolva would be useless and a waste of money if your on TRT. But then again, I never saw a question like this before?
Like will clomid or nolva have any effect to improve the functioning of the HPTA if your on TRT?
Obviously, clomid/nolva will help get your natural HPTA working again if your off all hormones. But what if you did a cycle of Mast/NPP while on TRT, then stopped the Mast/NPP and just continued on TRT? Would it be senseless to do Clomid/Nolvadex in this situation? It sounds like it would if you are on TRT.
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You probably need an AI like aromasin. Your estrogen is elevated coming off a higher test dose giving you those sides. I definitely wouldn't waste money on clomid or nolva while you are still on trt though.
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[QUOTE=Cmack053;996123]You probably need an AI like aromasin. Your estrogen is elevated coming off a higher test dose giving you those sides. I definitely wouldn't waste money on clomid or nolva while you are still on trt though.
R. I have an use Aromasin sparingly. I didn't do labs, but don't think my estrogen levels would be high given the fact I was only doing 200mg a week. And I used Aromasin 12.5mg twice a week should be suffcient.
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I started my trt and I was doing 125mcg of test e a week in 2 doses and 500iu a week of HCG, I think a moderate dose, but I've done blood work all the way through.
I felt like complete shit, depressed, angry, couldn't come even though I was Randy as fuck and for the first time in my life got high blood pressure!
My TRT clinic after my last bloods grilled me asking what I was topping up with as my levels were,I think, mental. My prolactin was triple the upper level, estrogen 189 when the upper level is 159.............. but my test went from 10.9 to 119 nmol/l or 3400 in the American level.
He told me I must be a hyper responder to HCG so I stopped that, reduce test to 100mcg and take .5mg of arimidex twice a week.
I feel like I'm settling down a coupe of weeks in, but my nuts are small and my climaxes feel week compared to no trt..........I think I will bring the HCG back later and see what happens.
Anyway landing my plane, you need bloods as what you are pinning means fuck all to how your body responds
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I started my trt and I was doing 125mcg of test e a week in 2 doses and 500iu a week of HCG, I think a moderate dose, but I've done blood work all the way through.
I felt like complete shit, depressed, angry, couldn't come even though I was Randy as fuck and for the first time in my life got high blood pressure!
My TRT clinic after my last bloods grilled me asking what I was topping up with as my levels were,I think, mental. My prolactin was triple the upper level, estrogen 189 when the upper level is 159.............. but my test went from 10.9 to 119 nmol/l or 3400 in the American level.
He told me I must be a hyper responder to HCG so I stopped that, reduce test to 100mcg and take .5mg of arimidex twice a week.
I feel like I'm settling down a coupe of weeks in, but my nuts are small and my climaxes feel week compared to no trt..........I think I will bring the HCG back later and see what happens.
Anyway landing my plane, you need bloods as what you are pinning means fuck all to how your body responds
R. I think you mean milligrams, not mcgs. If your doing 125 mgs twice a week that's 250mgs a week. A little to high for TRT I think, otherwise you get the sides you mentioned.
What is the mg/ml ratio you are using, 200 or 250mg/ml? I would lower your dosage down to 75mgs twice a week to see if your sides lessen or disappear? Lowering your Test dose will lower your estrogen levels and estrogen side effects.
If your estrogen (sensitive) levels are still high after lowering your Test dose, switch to Aromasin 12.5mgs twice a week or even once week depending on test results. IDK nothing about you, ie; age, health issues, if any? But some guys try HCG just to kick start their testes into producing test. Of course a AI would be used during this HCG monotherapy to keep estrogen in check.
*** Maybe I misread your post. You do 125mgs a week or twice a week? If its 125mgs a week, then that's okay. I would lower the HCG to 350IU twice a week, retest a week or two later and see where your Estrodial (Sensitive) levels are at? HCG will raise your estrogen levels. If your estrodial levels return to normal after lowering your HCG then your G2G. If a little over the norm limit then adjust your AI accordingly.
Last edited by sumguy; 06-12-2019 at 03:09 PM.
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On TRT levels my T, LH and FSH are all pretty much shut down. You could take a SERM and they might raise those levels up while you are taking them , but then would drop down to near zero again once you quit. So I see no good coming with using them and going back on TRT.
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So I see no good coming with using them and going back on TRT.[/QUOTE]
R. I guess it would be appropriate to use Clomid/Nolva if you wanted to take a break from TRT just to reset your body or have a baby. Nothing wrong with staying on TRT after a cycle either. Unless you wanted to take a break and do a reset.
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On the other hand you may have low estrogen. You may have shut yourself down with the aromasin even though you were using only 25mg a week. I always tell people low estrogen is waaay worse than having it be slightly elevated. If this is the case than only time will help your e2 build back up.
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Originally Posted by
sumguy
Are Clomid and Nolvadex helpful in PCT if you are on TRT? I am on TRT, 350IU's of 200mg/ml Test Cypionate. Or about 60-70mgs twice a week.
I did a cycle NPP/Mast Prop/100-120mgs Test Cyp for 2 months. When I stopped I did 3-5,000IU's of HCG about 300-500IU's twice a week until the 3 vials were gone. Currently I feel like shit, haven't been to the gym in a few weeks. Have low energy and been sleeping most of the day. Have no motivation or drive.
My question is: Will SERMS like Clomid and Nolvadex do anything to regain normal HPTA while on TRT? Or will Clomid/Nolva be a waste of money in this scenario?
I know HCG whether on or off cycle will keep the gonads functioning. But I'm not sure if Clomid/Nolva will help someone recover if they are on TRT? I have a tendency to think Clomid and Nolva would be useless and a waste of money if your on TRT. But then again, I never saw a question like this before?
Like will clomid or nolva have any effect to improve the functioning of the HPTA if your on TRT?
Obviously, clomid/nolva will help get your natural HPTA working again if your off all hormones. But what if you did a cycle of Mast/NPP while on TRT, then stopped the Mast/NPP and just continued on TRT? Would it be senseless to do Clomid/Nolvadex in this situation? It sounds like it would if you are on TRT.
The answer is NO. So long as you stay on trt endogenous testosterone produce will cease. It’s best to just come off your Blast and go back to your trt.
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No you don’t need clomid etc. But you might want to get bloods to see e2. For me I never know based on symptoms and always to bloods so I know if I need more adex, less, etc.
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