TRT and NO AIs Needed!

**bulldogger** · 04-10-2020, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by thebear

It seems a Burt right with a 1200 test. But, IMO, 1200 is not a physiological range nor TRT. That’s why you need the AI.

If you dropped to 150mg let’s say, your T would drop to a physiological range, and you would most likely not need AI.

I pin 100mg. Yes I would love more, and I do when I blast. But it’s nice and easy on my system, I roll in around 700 for TT and no AI needed.

Any danger i should worry about ( im 44 in good health have high tryclygerides doc is aware of and treated) with test that high? The reason i ask is i figure i will be stronger so i would not hurt my feelings to stay high since he gives me 200 a week if there is a n issue though i will self medicate drop.

While on cycle what range estrogen do people have?

I know you mentioned its 60 something is not bad with my total test but is it ok to just let that range stay or should i be trying to get that level down? I tell you estrogen and prolactin seem the most confusing things about the gear so far. I am sure there are mot confusing things later.

**thebear** · 04-10-2020, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by bulldogger

Any danger i should worry about ( im 44 in good health have high tryclygerides doc is aware of and treated) with test that high? The reason i ask is i figure i will be stronger so i would not hurt my feelings to stay high since he gives me 200 a week if there is a n issue though i will self medicate drop.

While on cycle what range estrogen do people have?

I know you mentioned its 60 something is not bad with my total test but is it ok to just let that range stay or should i be trying to get that level down? I tell you estrogen and prolactin seem the most confusing things about the gear so far. I am sure there are mot confusing things later.

Well any time test is elevated for long periods of course there can be issues with hemoglobin, BP, cholesterol and lipids etc.

IMO more is not better when it comes to TRT.

**MasterBlaster805** · 04-10-2020, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by thebear

Only read first paragraph and stopped. Disagree. Not everyone is on TRT because they are old and doesn’t produce enough Test.

Yeah, good point. Just chiming in with my own opinion on the subject- Responding to TRT for the majority, not a small minority. Most over 35 are definitely producing less test than they were in their early 20's.. and producing more Estrogen too.

My question -thinking out loud- would be.. If a person is producing normal Test levels naturally and they take more test.. it it TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy), Or is it a cycle?

One last point. Estrogen comes from testosterone. If you're adding more exogenous testosterone into your system then you will be boosting estrogen levels as well. Maybe not like blasting with a Gram of Test, 600 mgs of Tren, & 600 mgs of Deca, but they could still be elevated well over 20 pico grams of estradiol (my sweet spot for TRT). so yeah.. I like the way Dr Rand thinks and that protocol's been working well for me.

No two people are the same, so you have to check your blood levels to know for sure.

**thebear** · 04-10-2020, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by MasterBlaster805

Yeah, good point. Just chiming in with my own opinion on the subject- Responding to TRT for the majority, not a small minority. Most over 35 are definitely producing less test than they were in their early 20's.. and producing more Estrogen too.

My question -thinking out loud- would be.. If a person is producing normal Test levels naturally and they take more test.. it it TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy), Or is it a cycle?

One last point. Estrogen comes from testosterone. If you're adding more exogenous testosterone into your system then you will be boosting estrogen levels as well. Maybe not like blasting with a Gram of Test, 600 mgs of Tren, & 600 mgs of Deca, but they could still be elevated well over 20 pico grams of estradiol (my sweet spot for TRT). so yeah.. I like the way Dr Rand thinks and that protocol's been working well for me.

No two people are the same, so you have to check your blood levels to know for sure.

Things like chronic stress, lack of sleep or sleep apnea, high prolactin, low thyroid, pituitary adenomas, glyphosate in GMOs all can cause low test.

TRT is taking test to bring levels to a physiological state. Some say 300-800 others say different. You can take test to do that then it’s TRT. If you take test but come back at 1500c that’s not TRT. If you add other compounds, splitting hairs, that’s not TRT.

Yes they work synergistically. When test goes up e2 naturally will got up. That’s the point! Hormones are all about ratios. That increase is not bad but we have been told it is. Look at th research for arteries and AIs etc, it’s crazy what’s hidden.

1) Estrogen will go up too high on TRT for 2 reasons....
You are overweight (e2 is produced and stored in fat cells)

Your dose is to high

Bottom line, lose eight or lower dose. AIs h are way more dangerous on TRT than that tiny increase in e2 which has a ton of arterial, CSF, bone, and brain benefits.

Blasting: If your T goes up and you lower e2, you not only miss out on gains but it’s protective effects.

Some guys don’t take any AIs until they hit 500mg test evil I know others on a team who take no AIs. Don’t follow any protocol, find what works for you.

**bulldogger** · 04-13-2020, 02:56 AM

Yeah I am on dr trt, but you know how stingy most of them can be. When you hear guys are cruising on like 600mg in between cycles i figured mine would not be that big of a deal. I figure i will try the 150 per week again before my cycles. Right now it looks like i will run two 15 week cycles per year. i should not lose much gains dropping 200mg to 150 a week should i? Its a newbie question as i am a newbie.

**Sting** · 04-13-2020, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by thebear

Only read first paragraph and stopped. Disagree. Not everyone is on TRt because they are old and doesn’t produce enough Test.

Why would someone be on TESTOSTERONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY if someone produces enough test? No doctor would prescribe it.

**thebear** · 04-13-2020, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Sting

Why would someone be on TESTOSTERONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY if someone produces enough test? No doctor would prescribe it.

Most do all the time. They see low T in the 200s, 300s and evening 400s without digger deeper. Oh here is test.

But you have to assess LH as well.

If test is low with high LH, type 1 hypogonadism and TRT is needed. Signals are coming out but tested are not responding. That’s why LH is high.

If test is low with or low LH. No TRT required. Test is low because signal from HP axis isn’t signaling the testes to produce test. If you take test you will cause Type 1.

There are many reason for Type 2 but the main is stress - lack of sleep, under eating, over doing shit, pituitary adenomas etc etc.

So yeah DRS prescribe a TON of shit in my opinion when it’s not needed.

Just my experience.

**davidjames2016** · 04-17-2020, 04:51 PM

My main concern is gynecomastia. I had pubertal gyno and got it surgically removed about 5 years ago, but the doctor left the gland in so that my nipple doesn't invert. I just started TRT and am a bit paranoid that it'll come back since I'm obviously prone to it.

I watched a few other videos about this from Danny Bossa and he doesn't have a good answer about prevention of gyno when it comes to avoiding AIs. These aren't his exact words from him but he said something like, "I got a little bit of gyno myself...so what? It's not huge. It's minor and barely noticeable." But to look at it in a black and white way like he does doesn't make sense to me. What about people like me that are prone to it and it can be more than "minor"?

**thebear** · 04-17-2020, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by davidjames2016

My main concern is gynecomastia. I had pubertal gyno and got it surgically removed about 5 years ago, but the doctor left the gland in so that my nipple doesn't invert. I just started TRT and am a bit paranoid that it'll come back since I'm obviously prone to it.

I watched a few other videos about this from Danny Bossa and he doesn't have a good answer about prevention of gyno when it comes to avoiding AIs. These aren't his exact words from him but he said something like, "I got a little bit of gyno myself...so what? It's not huge. It's minor and barely noticeable." But to look at it in a black and white way like he does doesn't make sense to me. What about people like me that are prone to it and it can be more than "minor"?

What dose you on? Possible lower it or could you afford to lose some Bw?

When you do labs what is your TT?

**davidjames2016** · 04-18-2020, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by thebear

What dose you on? Possible lower it or could you afford to lose some Bw?

When you do labs what is your TT?

Well I just started this past Monday. Never injected any testosterone before this. I'm on 150mg/week and I'm doing 3x per week to see how that goes because my SHGB is so low. I haven't taken any AI yet but when I spoke to my doctor about this and asked about how he feels when people say AIs aren't needed, he said, "the people that say never or always are extremists. Because you had gyno naturally through puberty, it's possible that you may need it. But we won't know until you begin and see if you experience any side effects." I have Anastrazole on hand just in case.

Before I got on TRT, my first labs at some no name place and it said I had a 130 total testosterone (range 280-1100). My free test was 3.8 (range 4.3-24.0). After I got with a doctor about this, I ran labs again with Labcorp. My total test was 201 (range 264-916). Free test was 11.3 (range 8.7-25.1). Not sure why my second lab has my free test within range but my first one was low.

I definitely do need to lose some BW. I'm over 20% bf right now at 200lb. Working on it soon....the gym being closed is killing me. Always had a hard time losing weight. I eat 1800 calories, lift 5 times a week and do 1 hour of low intensity cardio every day just to lose 1lb a week. My labs also showed first stages of Hashimotos so I'm taking t3/t4 pills. Hopefully all this stuff will make it easier for me to get in shape.