Thread: HRT Exit Strategy

Last time I am going to bother to respond to this thread and ill even rep you to show I have no ill will I just disagree that there is a preponderance of data supporting your claim...

Originally Posted by grim

ummm i never said fishoil was bad. I even take fishoil daily...
in the studies they do not state only preexisting conditions that is your little add on to try to justify and cherry pick..
[Fact is they choose the subjects for these studies by picking peope with a predisposition to stroke or has a prior history. How do you think they are testing if it causes or lowers the chance of stroke......

Anti AAS?
Hmmm im kinda a long time vet and admin....
I was pointing you at other data and if you have a prevous historty of stroke you might want to consider it
Seams there is A LOT you don't know about.
Do I really need to address this your just stooping to name calling now bring data to a converstion not names its sad and honestly I thought you were better then the past 2 posts before this one you were arguing on data which I can respect but this type of thing...
AAS had NOTHING to do with my strokes either, but more attempts by you to try to dismiss the very simple fact too much fish oil = bad.
This is third grade information, seriously...
I wont even comment on this joke
There are numerous causes of increased risk of stroke, 1 of them being high doses of fish oil. It really isnt that hard to comprehend.

The one thing we seem to be able to agree on is that there are many causes and more then one type of stroke I hope you dont have another one its a sad condition and thats great your using fish oil.

Wow that is terrible. My take on TRT - which I have been on for maybe just 4 months is that my body stopped producing the correct amount of a hormone that it needs. So I guess just like I have to take T-4 everyday for the rest of my life- I guess ill take test too. Also- Grims experience can be an eye opener to everyone- clomid may not be the best choice of PCT anyway- and could be dangerous. My friend who works closely with his fertility Dr. Was at zero test and zero sperm count. He told the dr he took clomid and the Dr chuckles and said, that's not what you need. Low and behold- a few months of straight HCG at 500-1000 iu 3x per week and he is back to normal test range AND sperm count. So although for years we all have been told to take high amounts of clomid post cycle- try HCG alone because this can help more then you may think.

A lot of information we used or still use is probably outdated there is still a ton of information to be brought out, and even more misconceptions in what is healthy and what is not. We take it day by day and adapt and change our ways if not you will pay the price.

from the mayo clinic
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/fis...SECTION=safety
Omega-3 fatty acids may increase the risk of bleeding. Caution is advised in patients with bleeding disorders or those taking drugs that may increase the risk of bleeding. Dosing adjustments may be necessary.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) classifies intake of up to three grams of omega-3 fatty acids from fish daily as GRAS (generally regarded as safe).

How many more 'sources' you need? Do I need to get video documentation from doctors? Seriously I am shaking my head you have such trouble with this BASIC concept.

The proof is in the pudding right grim? Haha solid info guys

...a bit thick on the insults I was trying to be respectful but I'll waste 5 more minutes on you....


". Patients with high triglyceride levels will benefit from large doses (3–4 g/d) of EPA/DHA, a dose that almost certainly would require fish oil supplements."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3096360/

Your basic fish oil supplement most people will buy..

http://www.optimumnutrition.com/prod...els-p-188.html

So for 1000mg or 1gram of fish oil you get 300mg DHA/EPA...300*10=3000or 3Grams....Is that third grade enough for you...because you would consume 10 grams to get that 3grams of DHA/EPA


And I would call ncbi a better source....

btw in your own study...

As early as 1944, Sinclair described the rarity of CHD in Greenland Eskimos despite their consumption of diet high in fat and cholesterol.23 Sinclair observed that the Eskimos had a tendency to bruise and to bleed easily, and subsequently Bang and Dyerberg demonstrated that the Eskimos had reduced platelet counts (50000–80 000/mm3 lower) and decreased platelet aggregation, resulting in prolonged bleeding times

but keep bypassing what doesnt serve your cause...

So as I started with I believe it to be incredibly unlikely to cause a problem....
". During a mean follow-up period of 33 months, 1 major bleeding episode occurred in the treatment group and no major bleeding episodes occurred in the control group (p = 1.0). During follow-up, 4 minor bleeding episodes (2.2%) occurred in the treatment group and 7 (3.9%) in the control group. More patients had minor bleeding complications in the control group than in the treatment group;"

"In conclusion, high-dose fish oil is safe in combination with aspirin and clopidogrel and does not increase the risk of bleeding compared with that seen with aspirin and clopidogrel alone"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19801023/

No matter how you twist the studies there is very little if any added risk

"More patients had minor bleeding complications in the control group than in the treatment group; however, the difference was not statistically significant (p = 0.5"

But I'm fine with your insults please avoid the fish oil it's dangerous to your health.

A nice explanation of the risk referencing the study.

http://blog.trackyourplaque.com/2009...-thinning.html

Seems the test I referenced would also work but hey you must be right..