Thread: Swank' - First Cycle Log

So I'm doing my first cycle and I'm a bit nervous
got my blood test done by the dr and he nodded for a go ahead with typical safety disclaimer.
i'm 34. 5'7. 81.9kg weighed last night. Bounce around 12-14% bodyfat throughout the year.
No pics as I want to remain anonymous.
been weight training for about a decade
My main concerns are about permanent shutdown and gyno.
hopefully you guys can critique my planned cycle which I plan to start monday.

Product	Time
Test E 250mg (twice a week)	Week 1-12
HCG 250iu (twice a week)	Week 3-13
Var 80mg (daily)	Week 7-12
Clomid 200mg (one time)	Week 15 (day 1)
Clomid 50mg	week 15 (day 2) - 16
Nolva 40mg	Week 15 (day 1)
Nolva 20mg	Week 15 (day2) - 17

I will have ameridex on standby for any gyno and plan to take 0.25mg when I need it.

The pct is a 3 week cycle with the gap between HCG only a week, The Nolva goes through the entire pct cycle with Clomid only 2 weeks of the cycle.

HCG was the one I heavily researched as there's too much conflicting information and recommendations that all seemed to be credible. Some say all the way till the PCT starts, others say a big blast near the end of the test cycle. I decided on mine, as I wanted it out of my system before I administered PCT and I didn't want to blast it in fear of it may increases the chances of shutdown.

I have done a few years of research before I'm taking this first plunge; I know there's so many conflicting and varying opinions so please don't confuse me, though feel free to criticise the plan before I start on Monday.

I'm pretty happy to have been running HCG throughout my cycle. Wifey also appreciates a full sack.

Originally Posted by Somethingclever

I'm pretty happy to have been running HCG throughout my cycle. Wifey also appreciates a full sack.

How long are your cycles usually, and at what dosage? How much of a gap between last hcg shot and the start of pct?

This is actually my first cycle, running test E at 500/wk for 12 weeks.

In the process of researching all this out, we found that my natural test levels are on the low side. Doctor prescribed me at 200 test C/wk for TRT after finishing the supratherapuetic dosage, so no pct for me!

There are a lot of opinions out there on HCG and it's appropriate usage, so I'll let the more experienced guys chime in on that.

I am curious though, why the huge Clomid bomb at the beginning of pct?

Originally Posted by Somethingclever

This is actually my first cycle, running test E at 500/wk for 12 weeks.

In the process of researching all this out, we found that my natural test levels are on the low side. Doctor prescribed me at 200 test C/wk for TRT after finishing the supratherapuetic dosage, so no pct for me!

There are a lot of opinions out there on HCG and it's appropriate usage, so I'll let the more experienced guys chime in on that.

I am curious though, why the huge Clomid bomb at the beginning of pct?

Sorry for the delayed response, I had to search through my history until I found where I found the exact pct course. There had been a few links where they bomb pct on the first day but here is where I copied their pct cycle verbatim
Nolvadex, Clomid and HCG in Post Cycle Therapy (PCT)
what do you think, i have a while before i start pct anyway

injected 250ml test e, next dose on thursday

don't feel any difference, was at 82.4kg, too early to tell
hit the gym and performed like i usually do

With the years of research that you said you have done, I'm certain that you have probably noticed one thing that does remain consistent in the opinions regarding cycles and PCT-conflicting information! Haha! When I first posted my cycle for feedback, I had planned on using 20mg/day Nolva for E2 control, with a cycle very similar to yours. I didn't get any negative feedback on the Nolva, and off we went. It wasn't until I had made another thread asking about needing pct if going to TRT that someone mentioned the use of Nolva for estrogen management was not effective. When the bloods came back, sure enough my estrogen was twice the normal reference range. I didn't have any gyno, so the Nolva seemed to be doing its job there, however it doesn't actually do anything for minimizing estrogen. Now I know. I wasn't able to get any aromasin, so I'm taking letro E3D and I'll be getting blood drawn later this week to see where I'm at.

So where I'm going with this is that there is a lot of information out there, and there is a ton of very experienced guys on this board. I'm sure they'll find this thread at some point, and correct any of the following information if need be.

Something one needs to keep in mind when taking high doses of Clomid is the potential of LH desensitization. You're only doing the one big dose at the beginning and then dropping down, so this might not be an issue. Again, I'm not a doctor and I have limited experience with this sort of thing, but from what my TRT doc said (and another friend that is a doctor with interest in these sorts of things) there is information out that there that suggests as little as 20mg/day of Nolva may be all that's needed for pct. I'm a fan of keeping things simple, so if I don't need to run more than is needed, I'd prefer to keep the use of different compounds to a minimum. Bloods will be your friend, my friend.

And one last thing-the thought of getting gyno is something that I'm personally not okay with in any capacity. So while I recognize the idea behind having an AI/AE "on hand," I would prefer to prevent the onset of gyno from the start, besides preventing the other bad affects from excessive estrogen that we can't see. Just a thought.

Originally Posted by Somethingclever

With the years of research that you said you have done, I'm certain that you have probably noticed one thing that does remain consistent in the opinions regarding cycles and PCT-conflicting information! Haha! When I first posted my cycle for feedback, I had planned on using 20mg/day Nolva for E2 control, with a cycle very similar to yours. I didn't get any negative feedback on the Nolva, and off we went. It wasn't until I had made another thread asking about needing pct if going to TRT that someone mentioned the use of Nolva for estrogen management was not effective. When the bloods came back, sure enough my estrogen was twice the normal reference range. I didn't have any gyno, so the Nolva seemed to be doing its job there, however it doesn't actually do anything for minimizing estrogen. Now I know. I wasn't able to get any aromasin, so I'm taking letro E3D and I'll be getting blood drawn later this week to see where I'm at.

So where I'm going with this is that there is a lot of information out there, and there is a ton of very experienced guys on this board. I'm sure they'll find this thread at some point, and correct any of the following information if need be.

Something one needs to keep in mind when taking high doses of Clomid is the potential of LH desensitization. You're only doing the one big dose at the beginning and then dropping down, so this might not be an issue. Again, I'm not a doctor and I have limited experience with this sort of thing, but from what my TRT doc said (and another friend that is a doctor with interest in these sorts of things) there is information out that there that suggests as little as 20mg/day of Nolva may be all that's needed for pct. I'm a fan of keeping things simple, so if I don't need to run more than is needed, I'd prefer to keep the use of different compounds to a minimum. Bloods will be your friend, my friend.

And one last thing-the thought of getting gyno is something that I'm personally not okay with in any capacity. So while I recognize the idea behind having an AI/AE "on hand," I would prefer to prevent the onset of gyno from the start, besides preventing the other bad affects from excessive estrogen that we can't see. Just a thought.

I really appreciate your response. I'm a loner at the gym and I don't quite feel comfortable walking up to a stranger talking about contraband at my workout place. Honestly this is scary step I have undertook and everyone on all forums seems to conflict. The Clomid only goes for 2 weeks and in the case of LH desensitisation then I guess I could use HCG to jumpstart it, which I have read others have done. I've also have changed on the ameridex and have gotten Aromasin instead. I started taking 6.5mg ed since wednesday. I may bump it up to 13mg once my HCG gets here.

My objective with HCG and PCT is more about quicker recovery and maintaining any gains I have. Gyno is a huge worry but I have heard a letro cycle can clear it up. I'm asian and if our women are known for their itty bitty titty then in the off chance I get gyno it would be to the same degree of the asian women, right? jk.
I'm not naive to think this is my only cycle but I know my cycles will be sparse (at most twice a year) so I'd like to think I could recover fast and maintain anything I have gotten (despite it being a cutting cycle).

If anyone could chime in and critique with an opinion, I'm all ears.

2nd pin of another ml of 250mg test e. yesterday started taking 6.5 mg of aromasin instead of using the aremidex.
i'm up 85kg, not sure why since my diet has been consistent.
no acne, no gyno, but still early days.
strength doesn't seem to have any noticeable difference as well.