Thread: Deca/19nor cycle experiment

Just wanted to start an experiment, and want to document my results from using deca without any testosterone. The reason for this is because so many people talk about deca dick, but I have yet to encounter that from deca or tren. I have never used caber and never had leaky nips from 19 nors. Anytime I go over 300 mg of test I break out in acne all over my back, chest and face. Test is the only compound that gives me sides or causes a flare in gyno for me. So I'm dropping the test and I'll document what my sex drive is like each week, and what side effects I get from this. So far I've been off the test for 2 weeks and I don't feel a difference with mood or sex drive. I was on 300mg of test e, 400mg of deca, and 600mg of EQ. I upped my test e too 600 and broke out like crazy and my hair would shed in the shower so I said fuck the test 2 weeks ago. Deca and EQ are the same. My hair has stopped shedding in the shower and my acne is drying up and starting to go away. I know a small group of guys that run deca only cycles up too a gram and have no issues and swear it's better then running high test due to the sides test causes. If I use test it'll be 150mg just to keep my DHT and estrogen in healthy range. I'm assuming after two weeks now my test levels are probabaly pretty low now. So we will see I the next week or so if my sex drive will change. I'll keep people updated on the gains with zero test and high anabolics. Also will be adding tren somewhere on this cycle. I love combining deca and tren no matter how many people say not too combine 19 nors.

I hear ya brother. I'm interested in your experience. I have never had to take Caber, never had prolactin issues or any of the sides either. I've never run Nand by itself. But I also don't get the acne anbd hair loss sides from taking Test. I feel like Nand makes very unemotional. To my detriment. I'll be around my daughter and don't feel that love. So it's weird. I have to keep my Test up while on Nand otherwise I turn into a robot. Either way I'm interested in what this does to you.

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Originally Posted by turbolnd

I hear ya brother. I'm interested in your experience. I have never had to take Caber, never had prolactin issues or any of the sides either. I've never run Nand by itself. But I also don't get the acne anbd hair loss sides from taking Test. I feel like Nand makes very unemotional. To my detriment. I'll be around my daughter and don't feel that love. So it's weird. I have to keep my Test up while on Nand otherwise I turn into a robot. Either way I'm interested in what this does to you.

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It goes to show how we all react differently to these compounds. I haven't noticed any mental effects from nandrolone. My fiancé has been away with my son for about 6 weeks and I miss him and her so much, so I'm not lacking in my feelings of love and compassion. Test makes me feel very confident, and any amount of tren makes me have a short temper. I never lash out but on the inside I'm freaking livid at stuff that never bothers me. If deca made me not feel love for my kids like I normally do I'd have to drop it. Luckily it doesn't do that for me. Doesn't make me hold water like so many people say it does. I got leaner then I ever was on test and deca. I just got home from the gym and my workouts aren't suffering so far not being on test for 2 weeks. I actually look more full and a lot more vascular. I assume it's the EQ I threw in three weeks ago.

Originally Posted by stormwheather

Same here: ended deca two weeks ago while still on test e what changed - sex drive down, sides like acne and estro still there. Also endurance down, tired... Crazy...
Keep it up to date bro. Cheers

Adding the deca crashed your sex drive and caused acne for you? Sorry i can't really understand what you said lol I'm not too smart today.

Originally Posted by Big pecs_big paychecks

It goes to show how we all react differently to these compounds. I haven't noticed any mental effects from nandrolone. My fiancé has been away with my son for about 6 weeks and I miss him and her so much, so I'm not lacking in my feelings of love and compassion. Test makes me feel very confident, and any amount of tren makes me have a short temper. I never lash out but on the inside I'm freaking livid at stuff that never bothers me. If deca made me not feel love for my kids like I normally do I'd have to drop it. Luckily it doesn't do that for me. Doesn't make me hold water like so many people say it does. I got leaner then I ever was on test and deca. I just got home from the gym and my workouts aren't suffering so far not being on test for 2 weeks. I actually look more full and a lot more vascular. I assume it's the EQ I threw in three weeks ago.

I think it has a lot to do with your given personality. As weird as it sounds I feel that I need estrogen to feel love and comradery. Without it I tend to be very robotic. So when I take Test I actually become nicer and more mellow. Along with confidence. It's like Estro makes me emotional in a good way.

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Originally Posted by turbolnd

I think it has a lot to do with your given personality. As weird as it sounds I feel that I need estrogen to feel love and comradery. Without it I tend to be very robotic. So when I take Test I actually become nicer and more mellow. Along with confidence. It's like Estro makes me emotional in a good way.

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That definitely makes sense. I don't get lovey from estrogen. It just makes me cry at random stuff while watching cartoons with my son. I'll laugh and be like what the hell am I crying for. Well better go take my letrozole lol. My body aromatizes more then regular people and I'm very very lean. If I have no estrogen I get tired and my joints will crack a lot. Having reactive arthritis doesn't help either. If I use test again it will be only a trt dose. Even at 300mg I have to use 20mg accutane a day to keep my skin perfectly clear and if rather not use that stuff. I wish I could use high test. I think I always had a naturally lower test level then say my brother. Most likely because my body converts most of my natural test too estrogen. I've always been emotional and had back acne out the ass in school but could never grow facial hair. I take test and when my estrogen is high I get emotional just like I was younger. Like a carbon copy of the same emotions. On test I can't get my face to stop growing hair now. So it's not that my genetics don't allow me to grow facial hair. My body must have not had high enough natural test levels to allow it grow cause my test was converting to estrogen. I never had gyno symptoms when I was younger though. So that's a plus.

Originally Posted by Big pecs_big paychecks

That definitely makes sense. I don't get lovey from estrogen. It just makes me cry at random stuff while watching cartoons with my son. I'll laugh and be like what the hell am I crying for. Well better go take my letrozole lol. My body aromatizes more then regular people and I'm very very lean. If I have no estrogen I get tired and my joints will crack a lot. Having reactive arthritis doesn't help either. If I use test again it will be only a trt dose. Even at 300mg I have to use 20mg accutane a day to keep my skin perfectly clear and if rather not use that stuff. I wish I could use high test. I think I always had a naturally lower test level then say my brother. Most likely because my body converts most of my natural test too estrogen. I've always been emotional and had back acne out the ass in school but could never grow facial hair. I take test and when my estrogen is high I get emotional just like I was younger. Like a carbon copy of the same emotions. On test I can't get my face to stop growing hair now. So it's not that my genetics don't allow me to grow facial hair. My body must have not had high enough natural test levels to allow it grow cause my test was converting to estrogen. I never had gyno symptoms when I was younger though. So that's a plus.

Crazy. Well this is how I am with RBC/Hematocrit. I really pisses me off. I can take 500mg of Test Cyp. And as soon as I add a 2nd compound I start having issues. So I literally have to give blood and immediately start my blast using only short esters and run that 8 weeks only. And then go back to only Test. My RBC climbs real easy. And quick. I see guys running 700 of one thing 800 hundred of another and 600 of something else. While taking orals. And I'm always like how the fuck?! Lol.

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Originally Posted by turbolnd

Crazy. Well this is how I am with RBC/Hematocrit. I really pisses me off. I can take 500mg of Test Cyp. And as soon as I add a 2nd compound I start having issues. So I literally have to give blood and immediately start my blast using only short esters and run that 8 weeks only. And then go back to only Test. My RBC climbs real easy. And quick. I see guys running 700 of one thing 800 hundred of another and 600 of something else. While taking orals. And I'm always like how the fuck?! Lol.

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I've been lucky with the rbc/hematocrit issues. I get blood work every 14 days for Crohn's disease, and reiters disease (reactive arthritis) and I haven't had my rheumatologist call me asking what is going on lol. I did tell him that I did use aas and he wasn't to happy haha. But I work with another doctor who orders all my lab work and consults with me every 3 months. I haven't had blood work since I started the EQ so I'll be interested to see if it raises rbc as much as people always say it does. Anadrol didn't raise my rbc but I've only taken it once at 50mg a day. The only thing I noticed was on a test, deca, and tren cycle my igf-1 was through the roof. I've never used GH or igf before.