Thread: Best cutting cycle without tren

Originally Posted by PJ034

Are you wanting to cut as in for bodybuilding. I've never heard of cutting for powerlifting. Especially to be a powerlifter under 20%bf.

My non tren cutting cycle is Test P/ Primo or Mast/ Anavar. Anavar has given me ridiculous strength gains almost as good as Anadrol. I'd say better than tren. You could try EQ but personally it makes my joints hurt. I had my only gym injury ever on EQ, and EQ makes me really tired. NPP wouldn't be a bad choice either I just don't have any experience cutting with it to give you a personal opinion. I do have friends I compete with that cut with it though. Hope this helps.

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I like your approach on the Primo, Test, Mast, and Var cycle, PJ034. Solid and complete setup. I get great strength gains from Var as well and very keepable gains.

I get the impression he is cutting for vanity/bodybuilding while wanting to maintain or even increase his strength. JM, correct me if I am wrong here.

PJ has a point here. To be effective at powerlifting your body needs adipose to pull from for extreme lifting. Which is why powerlifters look very different from bodybuilders.

Originally Posted by PJ034

Are you wanting to cut as in for bodybuilding. I've never heard of cutting for powerlifting. Especially to be a powerlifter under 20%bf.

My non tren cutting cycle is Test P/ Primo or Mast/ Anavar. Anavar has given me ridiculous strength gains almost as good as Anadrol. I'd say better than tren. You could try EQ but personally it makes my joints hurt. I had my only gym injury ever on EQ, and EQ makes me really tired. NPP wouldn't be a bad choice either I just don't have any experience cutting with it to give you a personal opinion. I do have friends I compete with that cut with it though. Hope this helps.

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Edit...Just read all the posts. I see your just trying to clean up and get stronger. A really good buddy of mine who wins most of the masters power lifting meets around here loves anavar because of the strength gains he gets without the sides of using Anadrol or Dbol. He has high bp and the anavar doesn't affect that or make him gain weight. But if you're looking for straight strength imo nothing compares to Anadrol. It took my bench press from 435 to 515 in 8 weeks.

Yeah brother I’m by no means trying to do something like a bodybuilder prep.
I’d just like to get down at about 13-14 percent bodyfat to still have a decent lean look for summer while still having a couple extra pounds looking for strength. This would probably require me to drop about 20lbs. I also have high blood pressure and would like to see if dropping the weight helps so I have more room to healithy bloat before my next week.

Right now considering dropping the weight during pct and time off. Which would be until April and then blasting for 4 months into the competiton.
I know it’s not ideal time to cut, but it works out well as far as meet prep and time off goes.
I was thinking 16 weeks
750 or 900 test c depending if 250 or 300 mg/ml vials
450 npp or 450-600 deca
Anavar last 6-8 weeks before competiton
Or halotestin or SuperDrol one month out.
Maybe dbol/abombs cause there cheap
But looking into the suggestion of mast/prop/npp looks like a great stack. I just wouldn’t want to be pinning 3cc ed or eod. And it’s more expensive, but if that’s what it takes so be it!

Originally Posted by Jackman96

Yeah brother I’m by no means trying to do something like a bodybuilder prep.
I’d just like to get down at about 13-14 percent bodyfat to still have a decent lean look for summer while still having a couple extra pounds looking for strength. This would probably require me to drop about 20lbs. I also have high blood pressure and would like to see if dropping the weight helps so I have more room to healithy bloat before my next week.

Right now considering dropping the weight during pct and time off. Which would be until April and then blasting for 4 months into the competiton.
I know it’s not ideal time to cut, but it works out well as far as meet prep and time off goes.
I was thinking 16 weeks
750 or 900 test c depending if 250 or 300 mg/ml vials
450 npp or 450-600 deca
Anavar last 6-8 weeks before competiton
Or halotestin or SuperDrol one month out.
Maybe dbol/abombs cause there cheap
But looking into the suggestion of mast/prop/npp looks like a great stack. I just wouldn’t want to be pinning 3cc ed or eod. And it’s more expensive, but if that’s what it takes so be it!

If you have high bp stay away from any drols or Dbol. If you're 250 and want to drop 7% bf that's roughly 18lbs. But in a 16week well planned cycle you should be able to drop that much bf and gain weight. Maybe just start the Anadrol a week out from your comp. The only way to know what works for you is to do different cycles and see what works.

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Looks good, JM

Originally Posted by Jackman96

Alright brothers so I’ve taken what your have said into consideration and came up with something that I can afford. I’m interested in trying monsters sust500 as I’ve seen good post on it recently and they have a npp/masteron/ mastsbol 400/ml that looks good as well.

The cycle would be 14 weeks with .5 cc shot of each eod.

So weeks 1-14
875 sustanon
350 npp
350 masteron
.5adex eod adjusted as needed
Week 13.5-15 500 iu hcg ed(10days)
20mgs nolvadex and 50 mgs clomid ed for the next 25 days
No orals for my blood pressures sake. I’d also be introducing in both npp and masteron which are new compounds for myself. So keep it somewhat simple

How does this look?
I realize the test may be high, but I’ve had problems with low dosed test in the past and would rather have enough to have it higher and adjust if needed than not have enough!

I’m feeling really fat and blood pressure is still stupid high so for health reasons I’m going to drop most of the weight before the start. I’ll probably make it down near 220 and then either cut/recomp into the 220 class or do a lean bulk and come in at or slightly under 242.
I think with this I could easily hit a 1600lb total at either weight.
I’ll be able to finish my current pct and take about 10 weeks off before the start of this blast.


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I think you'll be happy with this. Anavar would be a good add or even a low dose of dball 25mg a day. But even without the orals you'll like this stack. My only other suggestions would be to up the mast to 500-600 minimum.

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Originally Posted by PJ034

I think you'll be happy with this. Anavar would be a good add or even a low dose of dball 25mg a day. But even without the orals you'll like this stack. My only other suggestions would be to up the mast to 500-600 minimum.

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Thanks bro but things have changed if your interested!
I’ve been cruising on 500 test cyp a week running a strict diet with 40 Mcgs clen a day or 2 EC doses. I’ve dropped 20lbs this far and am hoping to loose 7 more in a months time. The diet has been going quite swell, and I lost a lot of weight from the dbol I used into the last competiton quite quickly.

After a months time of crushing with fatburners hopefully I’m at the goal weight of 220 and the competiton prep starts and I plan to recomp and build strength at 220. For 11 weeks the gear will be upped to 750 test e/350 npp
The last four weeks of that will also have 50mgwinny/day
I’m taking .5 Adex every time I shoot a cc of test, and have caber on hand if need be.
Both drugs will be manipulated according to bloodwork. I plan on pulling the bloods right before I up the injectables and also again before I start the Winny to keep everything in check.
If I gain some weight off that stack no big deal but I’d like to stay under 228/ to avoid a big water cut!



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Originally Posted by Jackman96

Thanks bro but things have changed if your interested!
I’ve been cruising on 500 test cyp a week running a strict diet with 40 Mcgs clen a day or 2 EC doses. I’ve dropped 20lbs this far and am hoping to loose 7 more in a months time. The diet has been going quite swell, and I lost a lot of weight from the dbol I used into the last competiton quite quickly.

After a months time of crushing with fatburners hopefully I’m at the goal weight of 220 and the competiton prep starts and I plan to recomp and build strength at 220. For 11 weeks the gear will be upped to 750 test e/350 npp
The last four weeks of that will also have 50mgwinny/day
I’m taking .5 Adex every time I shoot a cc of test, and have caber on hand if need be.
Both drugs will be manipulated according to bloodwork. I plan on pulling the bloods right before I up the injectables and also again before I start the Winny to keep everything in check.
If I gain some weight off that stack no big deal but I’d like to stay under 228/ to avoid a big water cut!



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Sounds like a good plan and you've made a lot of progress. Stay focused and keep us posted. Good luck!

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