It's time to get HUGE!

**thebear** · 12-01-2019, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by cherrybombfitnes

200 mast does good things for me too. People tell me it’s worthless all the time and I’m just like “ then don’t use it” lol it certainly isn’t worthless.

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I would let say it’s useless. It def shines at a larger number. Mast e 200mg a wk with a cruise works wonders.

But getting huge, it’s just a low number to support the har was etc.

It would be like saying, I am gonna use 200mg test to get huge.

**cherrybombfitnes** · 12-01-2019, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by thebear

I would let say it’s useless. It def shines at a larger number. Mast e 200mg a wk with a cruise works wonders.

But getting huge, it’s just a low number to support the har was etc.

It would be like saying, I am gonna use 200mg test to get huge.

Yeah, for sure. It won’t shine as far as aesthetics so much but it keeps shbg low and does good things for libido, etc. like he was saying. I react well to low doses of everything personally.

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**Elvia1023** · 12-05-2019, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by thebear

I would let say it’s useless. It def shines at a larger number. Mast e 200mg a wk with a cruise works wonders.

But getting huge, it’s just a low number to support the har was etc.

It would be like saying, I am gonna use 200mg test to get huge.

But I am not using mast to get huge. 200mg mast wouldn't do much for getting me huge. I don't think 600mg would do much either. It's to compliment my cycle and help with potential side effects. It works great for me and I have used it many times in the past. I don't think it is like saying I am gonna use 200mg test to get huge because I posted clearly I am on 500mg test, 300mg deca and 200mg mast. Now if I just posted I am using 200mg mast I would agree with you. Notwithstanding 200mg test could get you huge. I tell everyone so many underplay drugs. Drugs are everything in bodybuilding. No one who has used them steadily for years would look anything like they do without them. However I find when growing as long as you have elevated hormones (test) you should be gtg. Obviously higher doses and some deca, npp, eq etc etc will help matters. But the main driver in getting huge is food. 200mg test would have my levels elevated. Fact is I could probably half my doses now and still grow fine. That's because I will be upping my calories and training hard no matter what. Now a higher dose could/should help me look a bit better as a grow. Moreover, if I use high test I would look and feel worst. Trust me I would be on 1.5g test instead of 500mg if it made me look and feel much better but I feel crap on higher dosed cycles.

**Elvia1023** · 12-05-2019, 07:09 AM

I have trained 3 days in a row. Things are going good but the hgh fatigue is here but I am pushing through. I dosed insulin once yesterday (with 2iu hgh) but decided to dose 2iu hgh pre bed and I slept for ages.
Like most I look worse the less lean I get. It's not a good look for me as I have a wide waist as it is but I said to myself let's just go for it and become a tank

I will try to maintain my abs the best I can and they are when I know I have to reign things in. Once they start disappearing I will slow things down.

In a perfect world you would up calories by approx 400 and move up in small increments in order to minimize potential fat gain. But fuck that I am literally just going to eat what I can and try to increase amounts over time. By the new year I want to be another 20 pounds bigger.

I have added in a 1500 calorie bowl of granola every morning for the last few days. I bought a few different varieties (4 nut, chocolate, mixed berries) and just rotate them. I just have half the box with half a carton of milk so each one lasts me 2 days. I use coconut milk and digest the cereal fine that way. Then I wait approx 2 hours before taking my insulin and hgh combo and mainly stick to carbs/protein whilst it is active. I am having 1 avocado and some mixed nuts every day. As well as some extra virgin olive oil and walnut oil at times as well. I also have quite a lot of beef mince which ranges from 10-15g fat per pack. So my fat intake is not low by any means even if it's controlled at certain times. Today my bowl of cereal alone was about 65g fat as well. Most of my other meals are beef, rice (basmati or jasmine) and vegetables.

I have been having some shakes recently as well. I use a combination of whole foods and powders. My last was 50g protein from synthepure, oats, pineapple, banana, mixed berries and water. My main carb sources now are rice, fruit, pasta and oats. If I want fast carbs I prefer natural sources with my fav being medjool dates. I have been having approx 100g dates (75g carbs) with some of my post workout meals recently.
Training has been good...

PUSH
Warm Up
Incline Bench DB Lateral Raises... 1 working set.
Cable Lateral Raises (cuff around my wrist)... 1 working set for each arm.
Machine Shoulder Press... 1 working set.
Incline Smith Press... 1 working set with 3pps.
Machine Press... 2 working sets... 1 loading with 4pps and 1 drop off with 2.5pps.
Machine Flyes... 1 working set then 1 static hold set.
Floor DB Hammer Grip Deadstop Presses... 1 working set.
Machine Tri-cep Extensions... 1 working drop set with 4 or 5 drops.
Exercise bike for 15mins.
Stretches.

PULL
Abs for 10 mins.
Incline Bench DB Rear Delt Flyes... 1 working set.
Incline Bench DB High Rows... 2 working sets with different grips.
Machine Unilateral Rows... 1 working set with each arm (elbows tucked in).
Machine Pulldowns... 1 working set.
Seated Cable Rows... 1 working set.
Barbell Shrugs... 2 working sets.
Machine Lower Back Extensions... 1 working set.
Unilateral Cable Curls... 1 working set with each arm.
DB Hammer Curls... 2 working sets... 1 loading with 30kg db's and one drop off with 20kg db's.
Machine Curls... 1 working drop set with 3 drops.
Stretches.

LEGS
Standing Calf Raises... 2 working sets with the last being a drop set with 3 drops.
Seated Calf Raises... 3 working sets with the last being a drop set with 3 drops.
Lying Leg Curls... 1 working set with both legs. Then 4 unilateral working sets (2 for each leg). The first with partial reps and the 2nd with negative reps.
Barbell Stiff Leg Deadlifts... 1 working set.
Horizontal Leg Press... 2 working sets (1 close/low stance and the next with medium/wide stance).
Squat machine... 1 working set.
Unilateral Leg Extensions... 1 working set with each leg.
Stretches.

Intra was 6 scoops of Yamamoto Nutrition's Energan (40g HBCD's, 15g EAA's, 8g l-citrulline etc) with an extra 35g carbs added. I plan to change my intra shake when this runs out as I digest other products better. I will probably go with Axe & Sledge's Demo day and rotate EAA products.

Post workout I had a large meal consisting of 300g lean beef mince (63g protein and 15g fat), 1 tin of organic heinz baked beans (54g carbs, 20g protein) and 1 pack of basmati rice (90g carbs).

**maxmuscle1** · 12-05-2019, 01:16 PM

Pretty intense workout Elvia! Drop sets are a killer. I like your program.

Max

w milk! Lol

**cherrybombfitnes** · 12-06-2019, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Elvia1023

But I am not using mast to get huge. 200mg mast wouldn't do much for getting me huge. I don't think 600mg would do much either. It's to compliment my cycle and help with potential side effects. It works great for me and I have used it many times in the past. I don't think it is like saying I am gonna use 200mg test to get huge because I posted clearly I am on 500mg test, 300mg deca and 200mg mast. Now if I just posted I am using 200mg mast I would agree with you. Notwithstanding 200mg test could get you huge. I tell everyone so many underplay drugs. Drugs are everything in bodybuilding. No one who has used them steadily for years would look anything like they do without them. However I find when growing as long as you have elevated hormones (test) you should be gtg. Obviously higher doses and some deca, npp, eq etc etc will help matters. But the main driver in getting huge is food. 200mg test would have my levels elevated. Fact is I could probably half my doses now and still grow fine. That's because I will be upping my calories and training hard no matter what. Now a higher dose could/should help me look a bit better as a grow. Moreover, if I use high test I would look and feel worst. Trust me I would be on 1.5g test instead of 500mg if it made me look and feel much better but I feel crap on higher dosed cycles.

Masteron isn’t anabolic in any way other than augmenting the power of other hormones. Free test and other compounds that are affected by SHBG are really why mast is such a benefit.

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**Elvia1023** · 12-09-2019, 04:16 AM

I haven't been able to get on the computer recently so have a lot to update. Things are great but I did have a few days of inconsistency. I have been falling sleep randomly and sleeping past my alarm due to the hgh so it's been annoying. They are dosed higher per vial but I was just counting it as 10iu so was taking more than I wanted. Probably just over 6iu per day than 4iu. I also started getting headaches which I never get (hgh). So I have adjusted things so at most I am taking 4iu per day now.

The other day I fell asleep for 5 hours in the evening and woke up and Flex wanted to go out. I figured go to McDonalds so I got 4 double cheeseburgers which is about 2000 calories. I also had a bowl of granola at 1500 cals a few hours afterwards so literally 3500 calories in the 3 hours before bed. It's an easy way to get my cals for the day but definitely not ideal so won't be doing it regularly. Well I may do the 4 burgers again next week but no more than once per week

Then yesterday things were good (meals) but I forgot we were going for a meal with my gf's parents. We got steak and shrimp and you have your own grill so cook the steak yourself. It's unlimited in supply so I went to town. I reckon I had about 800g steak (very lean) which is a massive amount. I also had shrimp (about 7 pieces), fries, salad and some bread. Afterwards we went out and I had a few drinks. I never drink alcohol now (just on holidays) so it's very rare but I only had about 4 drinks and 2 shots and came home very early. Anyway today I am back on plan and pretty much ate chicken and rice 4 times today. I have also had a fruit smoothie with synthepure. Plus about 4 EAA's drinks throughout the day as well. I literally have them for the taste and do 1 scoop in 1 litre of water so an easy way to get my fluids in. I eat beef most of the time but every few weeks rotate chicken in. Although I am enjoying chicken right now so will do both for my meals for the next few weeks.

Moving forward just keeping things basic and having my meat and rice (or pasta) meals as much as I can. I have been having more synthepure shakes which only make me feel better due to the fruit. Yesterday I had 1 post workout consisting of 50g protein from synthepure, 3 gala apples, 1 kiwi, mixed berries, oats and water. That's pretty much it plus my daily granola bowl which is always about 1500 calories. I am growing well and looked super full postworkout but couldn't get any pics. I had some pics taken 4 days ago but never posted so will include one of them in my next post.

Most importantly I have progressed in weights/reps all through my training when compared to the start of my log. I am getting stronger every week so will simply carry on doing the same. My last 3 workouts...

PUSH
Warm up with db's.
Incline Bench DB Lateral Raises... 1 working set.
Machine Unilateral Lateral Raises... 2 working sets for each arm (1 loading and 1 drop off).
Incline DB Bench Press... 1 working set.
Machine Chest Press... 2 working sets (1 loading and 1 drop off).
Machines Flyes... 1 working set and 1 static hold set.
Tri-cep Pushdown (using assisted dip/pull up machine)... 2 working sets (different grips).
Standing EZ Bar Overhead Extensions... 1 working set with 25kg per side.
Tri-cep Dips... 1 working set.
15 min on Spin Bike.
Stretches.

PULL
Warm Up (rope face pulls).
Incline Bench DB Rear Delt Flyes... 1 working set.
Incline Bench DB High Rows... 2 working sets with different grips.
Standing Cable Pullovers... 1 working set.
Lat Pulldowns... 1 working set.
Unilateral Machine Rows... 1 working set with each arm.
Low Pulley Cable Rows... 1 working set.
Barbell Shrugs... 1 working set (50kg per side).
Lower Back Extensions supersetted with Machine Ab Crunches... 2 working sets.
Hammer Curls... 1 working drop set (30kg db's dropped down to 20kg).
Machine Curls... 1 working drop set with 2 drops.
Stretches.

LEGS
Seated Calf Raises... 3 working sets.
Standing Calf Raises... 1 working set.
Machine Tibialis Raises... 2 working sets.
Unilateral Seated Leg Curls... 2 working sets with each leg including negative reps.
Unilateral Lying Leg Curls... 2 working sets with each leg including partial reps.
Good Mornings (ham focused)... 3 sets with just a bar.
Vertical Leg Press... 2 working sets (1 loading and 1 drop off).
Squat Machine... 2 working sets (1 loading and 1 drop off).
Unilateral Leg Extensions... 1 working set for each leg (full weight rack).
Stretches.

**Elvia1023** · 12-09-2019, 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by maxmuscle1

Pretty intense workout Elvia! Drop sets are a killer. I like your program.

Max

w milk! Lol

Thanks. In this growth cycle I am not doing too many drop sets and mainly sticking to straight sets. Although I have been adding them in more recently. I also like doing negative reps on some of my unilateral movements. I also do partials on leg curls quite a lot as well. Drop sets appeared much more in my training about 6 months ago. My last pull day I was late and the gym was closing soon so my bi-cep work at the end was done in a few mins. I basically done 2 drop sets because they are such an effective way to destroy a muscle fast.

I am not sure if it's in the US but I like Jordan's granola and their country crisp as well. I have about 300g in each bowl. Here is a link...

Country Crisp Chunky Nuts | Cereals | Jordans

**Elvia1023** · 12-09-2019, 05:30 AM

A quick updated pic. This was taken after legs about 4 days ago. My mate was in the gym so I got it done. But it's not great so I will get a better one (pumped up) taken soon...

**Primemuscle** · 12-09-2019, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Elvia1023

A quick updated pic. This was taken after legs about 4 days ago. My mate was in the gym so I got it done. But it's not great so I will get a better one (pumped up) taken soon...

Still looking solid without a pump bro. Keep up the good work

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