Thread: Need input: Who does a keto diet or high fat medium protein low carb diet

Originally Posted by EV1X

Well i can tell you, on keto, if i eat 500 surplus I will put muscle on and stay fairly lean, at 1000 surplus i start gaining a little too much fat for my taste.
At 500 deficit, i shred down fast without much if any muscle loss. At 1000 deficit I will loose some muscle and shred real fucking fast.
So fuck that not counting calories, my experience says bullshit.
The thing is most people do not eat enough anyways so maybe thats why they say dont count calories, they think she wont eat at surplus, but hey some women can fucking eat like a mofo so i would be careful.
Last thing is, i added those "anabolic diet" carb load days because muscles look flat after 3rd week on the keto diet. Also, the body will slow metabolism big time on keto and fat loss will stall if on a large deficit for weeks on end.
Since I hate the deflated look, and also to avoid slower metabolism i like those carb days. If she looks athletic she should add those carb up days. If shes on the heavy side, wait to get her nice and lean before adding those carb days.
Good luck

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Lmao.....

That's what I thought....

She's really well built as far as hiit training and crossfit not a boney woman...it's just that little bit on stomach and that has been the issue since our last kid...her hormones changed and she has been fighting it since...

Originally Posted by Bullcrew

Lmao.....

That's what I thought....

She's really well built as far as hiit training and crossfit not a boney woman...it's just that little bit on stomach and that has been the issue since our last kid...her hormones changed and she has been fighting it since...

Lol..
Yeah so throw her on keto and she should shred down. Omce she gets real lean into the stubborn fat ,have her take Yohimbine HCL. It helps release that stubborn fat so the keto diet will ensure she burns it for energy.
Once she starts complaining about flat muscles, pick 2 days and you can add a backload of carbs in her shake after crossfit weight lifiting to fill the muscle with glycogen ( maybe like 10 to 20 grams of dextrose only in tgat 1 meal).
Once she is really fucking shredded and grumpy from starvation (lol) make those 2 days full carb up days, not just that shake meal. Have her eat 60% carb/30% protein and 10% or less fat.

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Originally Posted by EV1X

Well i can tell you, on keto, if i eat 500 surplus I will put muscle on and stay fairly lean, at 1000 surplus i start gaining a little too much fat for my taste.
At 500 deficit, i shred down fast without much if any muscle loss. At 1000 deficit I will loose some muscle and shred real fucking fast.
So fuck that not counting calories, my experience says bullshit.
The thing is most people do not eat enough anyways so maybe thats why they say dont count calories, they think she wont eat at surplus, but hey some women can fucking eat like a mofo so i would be careful.
Last thing is, i added those "anabolic diet" carb load days because muscles look flat after 3rd week on the keto diet. Also, the body will slow metabolism big time on keto and fat loss will stall if on a large deficit for weeks on end.
Since I hate the deflated look, and also to avoid slower metabolism i like those carb days. If she looks athletic she should add those carb up days. If shes on the heavy side, wait to get her nice and lean before adding those carb days.
Good luck

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You are 100% correct calories bs calories out, protein is the only micronutrient responsible for building and rebuilding tissue. But the op is an an endurance athlete going on 4 mile runs, bike rides etc much more then a physique athlete. He would have to take in around 700 to 800 calories form protein to get his calorie intake which is excessive a huge strain on his kidneys and just and inefficient May of getting fuel through gluconeogenesis


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Originally Posted by joko123

You are 100% correct calories bs calories out, protein is the only micronutrient responsible for building and rebuilding tissue. But the op is an an endurance athlete going on 4 mile runs, bike rides etc much more then a physique athlete. He would have to take in around 700 to 800 calories form protein to get his calorie intake which is excessive a huge strain on his kidneys and just and inefficient May of getting fuel through gluconeogenesis


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Yeah im with you 100%. He needs carbs. This guy is an athletic monster.
I was responding to the comment the trainer told his wife of not counting calories. Even on keto, surplus i build muscle, deficit i burn fat. So that comment about not to worry about calories trying to cut, shhhhh, some women can fucking eat and at 9 cals per gram even on keto fat can be gained.

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It would work fine EVENTUALLY but, you would have a pretty rough start.

The body would need time to adapt to converting fats and protein to glucose at a better rate.

Like the other guys said, probably best to stick to carbs but, there are health benefits to eliminating carbs as well.

Originally Posted by Montego

It would work fine EVENTUALLY but, you would have a pretty rough start.

The body would need time to adapt to converting fats and protein to glucose at a better rate.

Like the other guys said, probably best to stick to carbs but, there are health benefits to eliminating carbs as well.

Going from a traditional diet to Keto is like gong through caffeine withdrawals lol it's brutal the first week or two


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Originally Posted by EV1X

Yeah im with you 100%. He needs carbs. This guy is an athletic monster.
I was responding to the comment the trainer told his wife of not counting calories. Even on keto, surplus i build muscle, deficit i burn fat. So that comment about not to worry about calories trying to cut, shhhhh, some women can fucking eat and at 9 cals per gram even on keto fat can be gained.

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Haha I like when these threads come up very rare we get Diet/nutrition threads. I blow my load lol


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Originally Posted by EV1X

Yeah im with you 100%. He needs carbs. This guy is an athletic monster.
I was responding to the comment the trainer told his wife of not counting calories. Even on keto, surplus i build muscle, deficit i burn fat. So that comment about not to worry about calories trying to cut, shhhhh, some women can fucking eat and at 9 cals per gram even on keto fat can be gained.

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I think the trainer said that because it really is hard to gain fat doing keto if you're satiated with vegetables as well.

If she followed that plan and every meal was in that breakdown of fats and protein, I doubt she would get fat no matter how many meals she would try to eat because, protein can be pretty filling/boring if it's 65% off the meal allowance.

She would get burnt out before anything unless her metabolism was crashed and her main was like 700kcal

Originally Posted by joko123

Going from a traditional diet to Keto is like gong through caffeine withdrawals lol it's brutal the first week or two


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Yeah and much for the reasons you mention honestly. The body craves fuel sources that best benefit the goal of survival ie carbs and fats.

You don't hear about people being eating 6lbs if tilapia

Yeah she has alot slower metabolism than me for sure...
Yeah I don't need flu like symptoms and wondering....

I'll tweak my macros a little worst thing that can happen is I can go back to what I operate at....

Any suggestions let me know....